To: stsimon who wrote (211893 ) 12/16/2012 10:22:08 PM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541128 45 years ago, I thought such programmes were a good idea. <government program designed to help those in need > Since then, I realized that unfortunately, to my ever-lasting guilt [having supported such programmes], they are not only ineffectual but counter-productive. Briefly, no good deed goes unpunished, and the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. nzherald.co.nz <NZ's 'shocking' child abuse recordBy Anna Leask 5:30 AM Saturday Dec 10, 2011 A 6-month-old shaken and hit in the head so hard he could not see any more. A 2-year-old struck so hard in his tiny tummy that one of his major organs split in half. A 5-month-old with a liver injury so severe the organ later ruptured and killed him. All three dead. All three in the care of people that were supposed to protect, love and nurture them. And all three are part of the very tip of the iceberg that is child abuse in New Zealand. For a small country, New Zealand has a shocking record of child abuse. And the numbers are looking worse than ever. But why are our babies dying? Why are our toddlers bashed and bruised? Why are our children, society's most vulnerable members, being subjected to these sickening acts day after day? ... continued > In 1968, I worked part time at the Auckland Sheltered Workshops for the mentally and physically disabled [Wharfie will of course use his "sense of humour" there]. It seemed a good idea to extend such an enterprise to the wider community for those incapable of looking after themselves. But I didn't realize that 10% of the population would decide to use the government hammock, and that too many of them would treat the children in their possession as meal-tickets, with horrific child abuse and murder the result. The growth in dependency is continuing. The level of dependency is now frightening because when finally the Greek situation results [money and promises not matching up], there's a catastrophe lying in wait. My paternal grandmother and grandfather arrived as little children in NZ desperately poor [solo mother of 3 daughters, and grandfather one of orphaned group of 4 children - parents both having died in their mid 30s from tuberculosis] so it's not as though I'm unaware of how bad things can be and what a struggle life can be. My father lived through the great depression and then spent 4 years living in tents across the middle east and north Africa during world war II. Mqurice