To: Greg or e who wrote (1081 ) 12/17/2012 1:04:56 PM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2133 “And that from the guy who cries about personal attacks” You have spent a couple of months mindlessly attacking an entire culture from 3000 years go and insisting they are all going to burn in Hell forever. You further attack repeatedly, perhaps the most honoured and respected man of that culture, and invent slurs against his character. In all of this, there is an underlying hatred expressed against homosexuals--even though the Greeks were not homosexuals and did not even have the idea of homosexuality. Everyone who has read your posts has taken the obvious from them. This bizarre personalization of ancient culture and ancient people long since dead, clearly has an explanation. Just as clearly, psychiatric research and literature reveal that this sort of Reaction Formation most likely reveals and exposes a deep-seated hatred of self or some part of self which is unacceptable to you. "The person wants what he fears. He is not afraid of the object; he is afraid of the wish for the object. The reactive fear prevents the dreaded wish from being fulfilled” It is not a “personal attack” when this is pointed out to you. You are expressing your hatred of long dead people in this very real present day world. This requires explanation. You are clearly making a cry for help. “consent is irrelevant” Don’t keep displaying your colossal ignorance. Consent is the fundamental issue both in ancient times and throughout the modern world. Consent or the lack thereof is what identifies the legality and morality of an action. Read much, Chump!? “The parents were bribed and the child basically was manipulated” You’re an idiot! Greek society epitomised the concern for morality and the relentless study of what was the good and how best to fashion a society that represents what is good. To this end they fashioned philosophies and moral standards that still serve today as the basis for western thought and progress. I am sure there must have been child abuse and bribery in Greek culture, as there is in all cultures, but to insist that immorality epitomised the culture of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, and Solon is to expose yourself as a small-minded bigot with deep seated emotional problems. Think about it, fella. “any sexual relationship between male equals would have been scandalous” But that is what I said. Thanks for agreeing! I also said:- that "all (or mostly all) Greek men were involved in pederasty both as adolescents in the role of eromenos and as mature men in the role of erastes. Homosexuality was not an idea in Greek culture." And your inability to disprove that statement leaves it shining forth as proven--as if it wasn’t already prima facie except to the deliberately dishonest and morally corrupt! ;-)