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To: cosmicforce who wrote (212883)	12/28/2012 1:11:25 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541477

This excellent book argues that poor conservatives vote against their self-interest because they are supporting what they consider more important group values. Worth a look. "Why can’t our political leaders work together as threats loom and problems mount? Why do people so readily assume the worst about the motives of their fellow citizens? In The Righteous Mind, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explores the origins of our divisions and points the way forward to mutual understanding. His starting point is moral intuition—the nearly instantaneous perceptions we all have about other people and the things they do. These intuitions feel like self-evident truths, making us righteously certain that those who see things differently are wrong. Haidt shows us how these intuitions differ across cultures, including the cultures of the political left and right. He blends his own research findings with those of anthropologists, historians, and other psychologists to draw a map of the moral domain, and he explains why conservatives can navigate that map more skillfully than can liberals. He then examines the origins of morality, overturning the view that evolution made us fundamentally selfish creatures. But rather than arguing that we are innately altruistic, he makes a more subtle claim—that we are fundamentally groupish. It is our groupishness, he explains, that leads to our greatest joys, our religious divisions, and our political affiliations. In a stunning final chapter on ideology and civility, Haidt shows what each side is right about, and why we need the insights of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians to flourish as a nation."

To: cosmicforce who wrote (212883)	12/28/2012 1:15:55 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541477

"How does one get people to rally around rich guys" "Oh, you will be rich, too." TEMPORARILY EMBARRASSED MILLIONAIRES "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." John Steinbeck Are you temporarily embarrassed? You may not realise it, but you could be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Do you plan to someday in the future have more money? Are you concerned that your taxes are too high, because someday you might pay too much tax. Do you ride the bus only because this year you can’t afford that luxury car you’re going to have? Do you live pay cheque to pay cheque like most people just because you haven’t had your lucky break. You aren’t rich and it’s very unlikely you ever will be. The economic and power systems of this planet are not designed for you to get rich. The American dream doesn’t exist and it never did. Stop being a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and just be a person. temporarilyembarrassedmillionaires.org

To: cosmicforce who wrote (212883)	12/28/2012 1:28:26 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541477

"How does one get people to rally around rich guys and the right to be sick? I just don't get it." A con on another thread was just arguing that the (D)'s are the party of the rich. They're very loyal useful idiots, and the (R)'s control them with the "issues" they support. Pro-life, 2nd amendment rights, anti-immigrant, subtle racism, pro-military, tax haters, etc. You'd have to watch Fox "News", listen to Rush Limbaugh and read con websites all the time to get it.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (212883)	12/28/2012 2:09:59 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 541477

How does one get people to rally around rich guys and the right to be sick? I just don't get it. Because you keep looking in the wrong place. I'm not talking about your neighbors. Rather about the Republican House caucus which is presently very capable of gumming up the works. You just need to focus on what moves votes there. And the basic mover is staying as far right as possible to avoid primary opponents running to their right. Since there are so few swing districts left, the ones occupied by Republicans are basically safe seats unless it's possible to out-conservative them. And that's the threat. Now couple that threat with the amount of money the Koch brothers and others can throw into House primary campaigns (generally not terribly expensive) and you have the problem.