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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (175675)1/10/2013 6:17:10 PM
From: Brian Sullivan  Respond to of 206180
 
It is not just the Georgia nukes that are expensive - the Southern Company "green" coal plant in Mississippi is redefining the cost of green. Perhaps when the populace sees the true price of political energy they will recognize - well - you guys define what they will recognize.


The Grand Coulee Dam has a high-altitude lake for energy storage. In times of low electric demand the spillway turbines are used to pump water up to the high-altitude lake.

Since California (and even Washington State) has these onerous requirement to "buy" renewable energy at whatever the cost; we could setup a big coal burning plan in the middle of Wyoming where would just use the coal burning plan to pump up water up to a new high-altitude (man-made) lake. We would then use that lake to generate "renewable" green hydro-electric power at a later time. We could sell that energy at top-dollar to California in order for them to meet their green energy mandate.



To: Bearcatbob who wrote (175675)1/10/2013 11:29:46 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water  Respond to of 206180
 

It is not just the Georgia nukes that are expensive - the Southern Company "green" coal plant in Mississippi is redefining the cost of green. Perhaps when the populace sees the true price of political energy they will recognize - well - you guys define what they will recognize.

Bob


I think, but am not sure, that both of these projects were conceived and implemented before it was realized how much NG from fracking was going to be available. Even though both projects now look like "white elephants" they probably made some economic sense at the time when the alternative was going to have be coal which would require expensive retrofitted "old" power plants to burn it.