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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (692380)	1/11/2013 5:12:59 PM
From: d[-_-]b	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576882

In Mexico, firearms are illegal, so how do they get their guns? From Obama and Eric Holder of course.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (692380)	1/12/2013 11:55:36 AM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1576882

>Doesn't make a difference. Either way, you and your dealer are getting around the ban on illegal drugs. >So how do you think it's going to be different if you ban firearms? Some arms dealer can easily get their supply from anywhere. In Mexico, firearms are illegal, so how do they get their guns? They certainly don't grow their firearms in their backyards. At the risk of sounding like CJ, apples and oranges. 1. Once again, you can't grow a gun at home. Well, you can, but it's way more work than it's usually worth. 2. It's a lot easier to carry a small bag of drugs in your pocket than an assault rifle. 3. Most of the police in this country (for good reason) turn a blind eye to small amounts of drugs. I'm not sure that'd be the same with guns if they were made illegal. 4. Law enforcement, at least in terms of keeping the elected governments in control, is significantly better here than in Mexico. Drug cartels control huge parts of Mexico and their law enforcement is mostly ineffective. 5. It's just not the way the trade works. Drugs that are made there are smuggled here, guns that are made here are smuggled there. But for the most part, all of the guns made here are done so legally by companies that mass produce them. However, you are correct in practice (as I've said in other posts). I'm essentially arguing that if there were some way to start from scratch -- the 300 million guns already in possession in the US were to magically disappear and all drugs were to do the same, and none were legal to manufacture, drugs would be back up and running in no time, and guns would be pretty darned rare. I'm already resigned to the fact that the genie's out of the bottle on guns and it ain't going back in. Even if it were politically feasible to ban manufacturing guns in the U.S. today, those hundreds of millions of guns have been manufactured and there are too many to ever dream of rounding up. It's why I'm for banning guns in theory, but it's nowhere near the top of my issues list in practice. I just don't have the solutions. But it happens to be the topic of the day on SI at a time I'm getting just a little bit of downtime for a few days, so why not jump into the fray? -Z

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (692380)	1/12/2013 12:20:52 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1576882

I think his (Z's) position is kind of ridiculous; that if you could clear the streets of guns they wouldn't come back. Guns are in far higher demand than all illicit drugs combined. And the people who demand them are far more determined to have them. If you got rid of them and prohibited them, the only way you would keep them out of America would be to uninvent them. While they may only be part of the underground in NYC, if you live where I do, they're everywhere.