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To: Wayners who wrote (692419)	1/11/2013 8:24:00 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1576346

>> I believe the drugs really are the cause. For someone to commit such a horrific mind bending act, one needs to be on mind bending drugs . It is worth noting, however, that the reason people on these drugs already is that they're having problems with depression and/or other mental illnesses. Which millions of other people are as well. There is probably a common thread, but jumping to the conclusion that the medications used in TREATING them are the problem, that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I took Prozac for years and never once considered mass murder. I also know of countless people who have been helped by these medications, some of whom probably would have died had they not been available. Condemning the medications because they were inadequate to solve someone's problems seems kind of backward to me. When I took Prozac I took the 20mg once every three days and it was fine. I cannot imagine why anyone would be on 9x that dosage; that person probably needed a different medication it seems to me.

To: Wayners who wrote (692419)	1/11/2013 8:39:18 PM
From: TopCat	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576346

An insane person takes drugs for his ailment, watches violent movies, plays violent video games, takes a gun and shoots people. The problem is not the gun.... The problem is not the video game.... The problem is not the movie.... The problem is not the drugs.... The problem IS the person is insane....

To: Wayners who wrote (692419)	1/11/2013 10:02:26 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576346

"Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public. Eric Harris shot and killed Klebold." Evidence shows Eric Harris and Klebold died from self inflicted wounds.....Harris by a shotgun he held to his mouth, Klebold shot himself in the left temple.....

To: Wayners who wrote (692419)	1/12/2013 11:05:14 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576346

All of the drugs you list are SSRI drugs. And, while the side effects are numerous, homicidal ideation is not one of them.

To: Wayners who wrote (692419)

1/12/2013 12:32:05 PM

From: SilentZ

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I believe the drugs really are the cause. For someone to commit such a horrific mind bending act, one needs to be on mind bending drugs . The medical term is homicidal ideation. It is listed as a possible side effect of anti-depressant medications.

1. You have to assume that correlation implies causation. But logically, it's every bit as likely that the perpetrators were prescribed drugs because there was something wrong with them in the first place.

2. Crime rates have been going down while the prescription rate has soared. I'm not saying that increasing prescriptions decreases crime (in fact, I'd highly doubt it), but the trends that I look at don't show otherwise.

3. The mind does a darned good job at bending itself.

4. I count about 60 deaths in your list. I don't know what period that's over, but that's a miniscule portion of all violent death in this country. It's not statistically significant by any means.

5. People have had crazy, violent impulses since long, long before Prozac. Hint: Lizzie Borden didn't take an axe and give her father thirty whacks in the last decade...

I'm not saying that antidepressants can't cause homicidal thoughts or actions, just that they don't seem to be much of a factor in overall violent crime, from what I can see.

-Z