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To: TobagoJack who wrote (97797)	1/14/2013 9:30:44 PM
From: GPS Info	9 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217750

all problems in china, when fully exposed, is a good problem because given the imperatives, the political leadership actually do react and resolve, by aligning in imperative w/ their own agenda given that at the end of each day, merit matters in order to stay in office How can problems in China get "fully exposed" with CCP censorship? If someone ignores orders from the CCP or speaks out too strongly against CCP policies, they'll end up in a labor camp to "earn their keep"? I guess this assumes that they weren't earning their keep before imprisonment. And so let's say that a CPP party member has the choice of solving a problem or censoring the problem, or shipping people to the gulags. Their preferred method will either keep them in office or keep them in graft. What is the value to the nation, here? This would be my definition of politician who is devoid of merit. the priorities are stacked as people firstly must eat, then Do you contend that the pollution in Beijing is necessary because people need to eat, and lower levels pollution means no food? Something is really wrong with this equation. folks in the aged economies forget how their own economies got started from utter lack of historic perspective. I detect an emerging pattern of moral relativism and appeals to "aged" national politics. talks such as the vietnamese do not care about their children dying and that is why the mother packed a grenade into a theatre full of g.i. soldiers is utter spin, and only folks indoctrinated by corporate media would fall prey to the bad assumptions of similar nature anywhere in the world I have no idea what this means or if it's at all relevant to my post. Sorry. people, as people, care about the same things, but with different priorities and moderated by group vs self and now vs future concepts Yes, and this is probably one of the sources of evil in the world - with no real ethical foundation to actions, there are just "priorities."

To: TobagoJack who wrote (97797)	1/14/2013 11:08:24 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 217750

TJ, it appears China has misplaced priorities. It is not a choice of "first must eat" and then can stop polluting the air. <re <<As a corollary I would suppose that China's ambitions must not (unduly) consider the environmental or the human costs associated with these developments>> ... it is simply not true. though the priorities are stacked as people firstly must eat, then ... etc folks in the aged economies forget how their own economies got started from utter lack of historic perspective. > Neither have I forgotten how my ancestral economy got started though you are no doubt right that many people have little to no idea. There is now a vast range of technological knowledge available, via a simple Google search, which can tell people in China how to do flue gas desulphurisation, particulate removal, stoichiometric combustion and with myriad electronic controls to manage any number of processes. The actual hardware to do it costs very little compared with the value of air improvement. The same applies to any number of matters. People used to argue that China was 100 years behind. Decades ago, I argued that China was no more than 20 years behind, which is how long it takes a child to go from being born to being an all-singing and dancing fully knowledgeable adult who can bypass 100 years of horribly expensive twisted pair communications, stepping straight into 4G LTE mobile Cyberspace. They do not need to reinvent nuclear reactors, or Formula 1 wheels. With China's economies of scale, the costs per person are near zero for nearly anything. It is not a choice between suffocating or eating. Both breathing and eating can be done. Do not spend $billions on things which are not needed while the sun sets behind smog at 30 degrees up from the horizon as I watched happen in Beijing several years ago. Burning LPG is clean. Burning dirty little black cylinders of muck is not. Swap some of the $billions in US$ debt [which is unlikely to be repaid with something of value] for cylinders of LPG and Coleman cookers, which can be distributed anywhere from hutong alleys to multistorey apartments. China could probably make LPG cookers and no doubt does already. When Londoners died in smogs in the 19th and 20th century, there was not an option to use LPG, or electricity from nuclear reactors, or insulation, or any number of mod cons now available. They could not cerf mobile Cyberspace to buy things on-line, delivered to their door. People in China can step straight up to the most modern OFDM and other technology that exists. Mqurice