To: tejek who wrote (692913 ) 1/15/2013 11:29:14 AM From: one_less Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576615 "How do you know that its engorged?" It is huge, it is pervasive and intrusive in every sector of society. I once had an idea of privacy, now I have resolved there is no such thing exept maybe for hermits living off the grid. The amount of money needed to support it is monumental, yet the government is demanding more and more. More power, more social authority, more funding, more reach into private enterprise, and the everyday activities of private citizens. More funding from where??? oh yea from the rich... so take it and when that is gone and the government is even bigger, then what? "Why should the gov't not provide for its people? That's what gov'ts do." The government does not have the ability to provide anything to the people it is a product of the peoples enterprise. The government is not a productive entity, it uses the wealth from productive enterprise to fund its operations. When the government destroys productive enterprise to provide job/money/goods and services, it becomes unsustainable. So I am using the term provider-government for a government that provides things which people normally produce for themselves, which is a short term nicety but in the long run destroys the very free enterprise which it feeds upon. We are seeing that right now. When people are able to produce beyond their needs for sustenance we call that extra amount wealth, wealth which can be spent to stimulate economic enterprise (hiring others, buying goods and services, and supporting government operations). The government is able to tax that production to fund the operations which are essential for society's well being. Its essential operations are to provide a system of justice, economics, national defense and the like. These are not productive enterprises. When the government takes from a thriving economic system to supplant the normal productive wealth producing mechanisms (unproductive jobs, goods and services), the normal competitive productive environment becomes undermined. When the government (and the people) see its role as providing for all the needs of the people productive enterprise is replaced by unproductive employment. Wealth is no longer produced and after a time the government goes broke. Then what? Where do you think government comes from. It doesn't just 'exist' so it can provide for the people. How in the world can you think such a thing, which is totally backward. People make provisions for a government and there has never been an exception.