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To: RMF who wrote (4110)	1/16/2013 2:59:23 AM
From: Investor Clouseau	11 Recommendations Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 125668

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." -- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment

To: RMF who wrote (4110)	1/16/2013 3:22:46 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	12 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 125668

The constitution really ISN'T there to protect your right to own ANY firearm you WANT. That's not what the constitution says. If you are in a WELL REGULATED MILITIA then that's a different story, but I don't know many of those in the U.S. that aren't affiliated with the military. This one would require you to go back to English 101 to understand that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." is not dependent on: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," The clause about the well regulated militia is a dependent clause. However, the clause about the right of the people to keep and bear arms is an independent clause. It does not rely on the dependent clause for meaning. The dependent clause is there to clarify that the right to keep and bear arms is necessary to the security of a free state. A well regulated militia is the gun owning citizens of this country. The authors of the 2nd amendment made this perfectly clear in supporting documents. Your comments show a complete lack of understanding of the intent of the US Constitution and the philosophies on which this country was founded. Let's apply the same concepts that you are espousing to the first amendment test. You said: "But WHY should people NEED all this excessive firepower?" Let's re-phrase that to "But why should people need all of this excessive speech?" Seriously, I think that you talk way too much. It's clear to me that you use too many words to get your ideas across and in fact, the things you are trying to say are simply not necessary. If it's ok for you do say that what I choose as my arms is excessive, why is it not ok for me to define what you say/write as excessive or unnecessary?

To: RMF who wrote (4110)	1/16/2013 8:35:58 AM
From: D. Long	7 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 125668

Federal law defines the militia as all able-bodied men over the age of 17 and under 45. The unorganized militia is every male citizen, whether organized as part of the military or not. uscode.house.gov TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES Subtitle A - General Military Law PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA -HEAD- Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes -STATUTE- (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.