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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 10:24:17 AM
From: Sedohr Nod	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224845

What video caused the take over of the gas plant in Algeria?......Get back on your meds.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 10:26:19 AM
From: TideGlider	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224845

You certainly are a one trick pony. ROFLMAO!

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 10:51:07 AM
From: tonto	7 Recommendations Respond to of 224845

Kenneth, Bush did not run and has been out of office for a long time. What was Romney's plan to lead us into war? How do you know this? You were so concerned about our debt at 5 trillion, ( which was right to have been ) now our exploding debt means little to you. Do you not see that your positions are not based on issues but instead are geared towards party support? You could still contribute to threads but have slid down to a much lower level...again.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 11:51:41 AM
From: lorne	1 Recommendation Respond to of 224845

Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don’t trivialize gun culture By BYRON TAU \| 1/19/13 politico.com Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans. “Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said. “A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world." Clinton dedicated a substantial portion of his 40-minute address before a joint meeting of the Obama National Finance Committee and a group of business leaders to the issue of guns and gun control, saying that it was a test-case for President Barack Obama’s grass-roots movements. (POLITICO was given a transferable ticket by an invited member of the committee.) “The way the Obama campaign won Florida, won Ohio, won this election by more than projected was the combination of technology, social media and personal contact,” Clinton said. That’s “the only way that our side will ever be able to even up the votes in the midterms and as these issues come up, really touch people and talk to them about it.” Obama begins his second term facing an uphill battle on gun control — an emotional, divisive and difficult issue that the cool and pragmatic Obama would usually avoid. Obama took 23 executive actions this week to curb gun violence, but his key proposals will need a vote from Congress to become law. With a GOP House unlikely to take up any new gun control measures — and even some Democrats expressing wariness — his only recourse is to make his case directly to the public. Clinton said that Republicans have been struggling in presidential politics since 1992 — noting that 2004 was the only time a Republican has won the popular vote in more than 20 years. But, he said, the party has been successful in energizing its supporters for midterm elections. “You have the power to really democratize America,” Clinton said. “You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues. You can do it on implementing the health care bill.” But, Clinton warned, the issue of guns has a special emotional resonance in many rural states — and simply dismissing pro-gun arguments is counterproductive. (PHOTOS: Will these guns be banned again?) While some polls show that the public by-and-large supports several proposals for increased gun control, Clinton said that it’s not the public support that matters — it’s how strongly people feel about the issue. “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said. Clinton recalled Al Gore’s 2000 campaign against George W. Bush in Colorado, where a referendum designed to close the so-called gun show loophole shared the ballot with the presidential ticket. Gore publicly backed the proposal, while Bush opposed it. Though the referendum passed with 70 percent of the vote, Gore lost the state. Clinton said that the reason was because a good chunk of the referendum’s opponents were single-issue voters who automatically rejected Gore as anti-gun. Continue Reading And Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress. “I’ve had many sleepless nights in the many years since,” Clinton said. One reason? “I never had any sessions with the House members who were vulnerable,” he explained — saying that he had assumed they already knew how to explain their vote for the ban to their constituents. Clinton also recalled threatening to veto a bill as Arkansas governor that would have prevented the city of Little Rock from instituting an assault weapons ban. Clinton said that an National Rifle Association lobbyist threatened him over his veto in the state house, saying that the group would cause problems for his upcoming presidential campaign in rural states like Texas. “Right there in the lobby,” Clinton said. “They thought they could talk to governors that way. “I knew I was getting older when I didn’t hit him,” Clinton said. Clinton recalls telling the NRA lobbyist, “If that’s the way you feel, you get your gun, I’ll get my gun and I’ll see you in Texas.” But he said that he understands the culture that permeates a state like Arkansas — where guns are a longstanding part of local culture. “A lot of these people … all they’ve got is their hunting and their fishing,” he told the Democratic financiers. “Or they’re living in a place where they don’t have much police presence. Or they’ve been listening to this stuff for so long that they believe it all.” Clinton closed his remarks with a warning to big Democratic donors that ultimately many Democratic lawmakers will be defeated if they choose to stand with the president. “Do not be self-congratulatory about how brave you for being for this” gun control push, he said. “The only brave people are the people who are going to lose their jobs if they vote with you.”

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 2:40:24 PM
From: Jack of All Trades	4 Recommendations Respond to of 224845

Another democrat charged with fraud... Case looks air tight... (AP) Michigan Supreme Court justice charged with fraud By ED WHITE Associated Press DETROIT Federal prosecutors have filed a fraud charge against Michigan Supreme Court Justice Diane Hathaway, just a few days before she leaves the state's highest court in a scandal involving the sale of a Detroit-area home and suspicious steps taken to conceal property in Florida. http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA3TIT881

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 2:54:34 PM
From: Wayners	7 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224845

Obammy got us into the foolishness of Libya and Egypt and Syria and Iran don't look to be very far away. We're still in Afghanistan and he lied about closing Guantanamo Bay. You used to scream about that and then you stopped. Why is that?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151658)	1/20/2013 4:20:51 PM
From: lorne	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224845

Biden’s claim of brush with gun massacre questioned By Dave Boyer The Washington Times Friday, January 18, 2013 washingtontimes.com Vice President Joseph R. Biden’s claim that he heard the gunshots of a 2006 school massacre while playing golf is raising questions about his veracity or his memory. Mr. Biden told a meeting of mayors in Washington Thursday that he was about a quarter-mile away from an Amish schoolhouse on Oct. 2, 2006, when a gunman shot and killed five students and wounded five others. “I happened to be literally — probably, it turned out, to be a quarter of a mile [away] at an outing when I heard gunshots in the woods,” Mr. Biden recounted. “We didn’t know … we thought they were hunters.” But a search of maps of the area in Lancaster County, Pa., shows the nearest golf course to the site of the shooting, Moccasin Run Golf Club, is about five miles away. Rodney King, the golf pro at Moccasin Run, said Friday he was working at the course on the day of the shooting and never saw Mr. Biden, who was then a U.S. senator. “There’s a lot of things here that I find hard to believe,” Mr. King said. “I looked in my database, and he [Mr. Biden] is not in my database.” Even if Mr. Biden had played at the course that day, Mr. King said, “It’s very far-fetched that he would have heard it.” “I know he didn’t hear those gunshots,” Mr. King said. “They were inside the school. Even if they were outside, he wouldn’t have heard them.” A spokeswoman for the vice president did not return a request seeking comment Friday. Mr. Biden told the story as he was describing for the mayors’ group the Obama administration’s efforts to enact new gun-control laws. Another golf course in the region, the Lancaster Country Club, is about 10 miles away from the site of the shooting. Mr. King said it’s more likely that a group of golfers including a senator would play there. “I would be honored to have Joe Biden play here because he’s a public figure,” he said. “But I put myself in his shoes — Moccasin Run Golf Club would not be the golf course I would go to if I’m going on a golf trip. We are a public facility.” Mr. Biden said after the shooting, he saw helicopters flying to the scene. Medical helicopters were used to transport victims on that day. Mr. King said there is a sportsman’s club about a mile from his golf course, and golfers can hear the shots from time to time during target practice. The schoolhouse has since been razed. While running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2007, Mr. Biden said in a debate that he had been “shot at” during a trip to Iraq. Pressed by reporters, he eventually described three incidents on two separate Iraq trips in which he felt that he was shot at or might have been shot at. He ended up revising his description by saying: “I was near where a shot landed.” Aides later said that on one occasion Mr. Biden heard mortars being fired a few hundreds yards away from the building where he was staying in the Green Zone, and on another occasion a bullet was fired at a helicopter in which he was flying.