To: i-node who wrote (694983 ) 1/24/2013 1:54:25 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575535 Look, you all your bolding doesn't make those things true. Why not ask a real economist about what they believe? I do know you will find the stuff I have been saying in an entry level economics book. I suppose you will now claim those books are wrong. The fundamental flaw in your claim -- and the one anyone who has studied economics would recognize -- is that money paid in unemployment benefits is money paid for non-productive/b> activity. Unless one believes that non-productive activity "creates jobs", the entire premise is untenable and indefensible. That is before you consider the proven fact that extension of unemployment benefits also extends unemployment, since Skinner taught most of us that paying people not to work will, inevitably, lead to fewer people working. Whether the activity is productive or not, the money is still used in the economy. It creates economic activity. Even the sainted Reagan knew that. Studies have shone that your application of Skinner's work isn't the case in the real world. From the wikipedia. In the Great Recession , the “moral hazard” issue of whether unemployment insurance—and specifically extending benefits past the maximum 99 weeks—significantly encourages unemployment by discouraging workers from finding and taking jobs, has been expressed by Republican legislators. Conservative economist Robert Barro found that benefits raised the unemployment rate 2%. [44] [45] Disagreeing with Barro's study were Berkeley economist Jesse Rothstein, who found the “vast majority” of unemployment was due to “demand shocks” not “[unemployment insurance]-induced supply reductions.” [45] [46] A study by Rothstein of extensions of unemployment insurance to 99 weeks during the Great Recession to test the hypothesis that unemployment insurance discourages people from seeking jobs found the overall effect of UI on unemployment was to raise it by no more than one-tenth of one percent. [47] [48] A November report by the Congressional Budget Office found that even if unemployment benefits convince some unemployed to ignore job openings, these openings were quickly filled by new entrants into the labor market. [45] [49] A survey of studies on unemployment insurances’s effect on employment by the Political Economy Research Institute found that unemployed who collected benefits did not find themselves out of work longer than those who didn’t have unemployment benefits; and that unemployed workers did not search for work more or reduce their wage expectations once their benefits ran out. [45] [50] One concern over unemployment insurance increasing unemployment is based on experience rating benefit uses which can sometimes be imperfect. That is, the cost to the employer in increased taxes is less than the benefits that would be paid to the employee upon layoff. The firm in this instance believes that it is more cost effective to lay off the employee, causing more unemployment than under perfect experience rating. [43] Economic rationale and issues You really don't know shit about this subject CJ. Not only does it defy logic, it defies what we know to be fact. It is really amazing that purportedly intelligent people would sacrifice all reason in favor of towing the party line, but you guys do it, year in, year out. It is something to see. It is toeing the line. Towing makes no sense. Your denial of commonly known and accepted facts is sort of amusing.