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To: Alighieri who wrote (696711)2/1/2013 9:16:58 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575173
 
Stewart gets it right.

Skeet Fighter

They don't like you Barack Obama

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To: Alighieri who wrote (696711)2/1/2013 10:24:28 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 1575173
 
Me: That single notion is exactly what the Bill of Rights was founded on (fear of government encroachment on human rights). I would love to see any argument to that point if you have one.

>>Written in another era, of another time...we now live in a representative republic...

Yes the constitution and the comments from the constitution were written at another time.

>>>...we now live in a representative republic...

Yes, by design and by oath of allegiance then and now. It is not clear to me why you are inserting these comments.

Me: I think I have already addressed that. Simply stated in one word, “infringement,” specifically with regard to the 2nd amendment.

>>>>You've said it, but have failed to prove it with examples..

I am not sure what it is you are declaring I have failed to prove but I will suppose you consider one or more of 3 things not proven: ) You may not think I proved 1) our rights are supposed to be protected from government infringement by the constitution. 2) The intent of authoring 2nd amendment was to strengthen that protection; in that a government, any government, is inclined to abuse the rights of citizens and tend toward tyranny when an armed population superior to the government's standing army is not present. 3) The 2nd Amendment has already been infringed upon.

I provided the evidence to show the foundation of the 2nd amendment was based on the premise that our rights should be protected. I provided evidence that the intent was to protect our rights from government infringement. There is no other reason given for including them in the constitution.

I provided evidence that such protection should be backed up by an armed population, and the Bill of Rights specifically included the 2nd amendment in that regard.

I provided evidence that further clarified, the non-governmental population must be armed in a superior manner when compared to the power of the standing military force, in order for this protection to remain in place.

I find this statement to be an example of Government infringement which has already taken place.

>>>>>(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
Al

This statement is an example of how the Government has determined I may not carry any weapon, whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. I find that to be a direct infringement all by itself. The statement gives a few examples which I happen to agree with

I agree: "Felons and the mentally ill" are exceptions.

I disagree: with their blanket statement about sensitive places but only because it can be applied too broadly in that every corner, nook , and cranny can be labeled as a sensitive place whenever a government entity decides to make that determination. Currently as your evidence proved the entire region called New York City can be labeled as such.

I disagree: "Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56."

I disagree: "Common use at the time" is vague. In addition, it suggests the government is worried about the population becoming too well armed. Thinking from the government's perspective... a highly armed population might be impossible to control if they decided they didn't like what the government was doing. Right, and we go back to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment which is to remind the government... you are not supposed to think you are in control of the population. So this again becomes evidence that the government is managing to circumvent the intent of the 2nd Amendment.

I disagree: "prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons"... weapons are ok but not dangerous weapons??? Well anyway refer to the last paragraph if you wonder why I find this disagreeable.

You gave an excellent example of Government infringement when you posted the laws of New York City.

The evidence you gave of New York City laws makes it clear that the government would not allow me to carry a gun as a tourist in New York City. Do I have the right? Yes I believe the constitution clearly states that and the founders clarified why that must remain true. Has the government removed that right from me in the region known as New York City? Yes it has.



To: Alighieri who wrote (696711)2/2/2013 12:12:54 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1575173
 
fear, since at some point your unchecked freedom begins to impinge on the safety of others.


Precisely. The idea that free speech can be regulated for such reasons, but guns cannot is a little perverse. And shows poor reasoning.



To: Alighieri who wrote (696711)2/2/2013 12:57:44 PM
From: i-node1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575173
 
>> in any case I see no evidence of a government today that wants to encroach on people's rights as outlined in the constitution.

The fact that you don't see it means it doesn't exist?

It is everywhere. I cannot imagine even a leftwinger making a statement like this. You'd have to be blind.

Last week, in a mere dissent, a Court of Appeals judge limited free speech. While it was the dissent in a 2:1 decision, that dissent will be cited in future cases as rationale for limiting free speech.

This kind of crap happens almost daily.