To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (698497 ) 2/12/2013 6:44:32 PM From: Bilow Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573902 Hi J_F_Shepard; Re: "About 30% of the rifles used in the Civil War were smooth bore." Here's the full exchange: Bilow: (1) Yes, the gun nuts could overthrow the government. In fact, it's been done before, at least for several years and several states. Find a history book that goes back to 1860 to find out more. Message 28608993 J_F_Shepard: "The Civil War? What government was overthrown, the Confederates tried but were defeated with millions of dead and wounded. They were still using muskets and front loading cannon, rifles just coming in . " Message 28611267 Bilow: "Okay so you're a little confused about weapons. As far as I know, there were no smooth bore shoulder fired weapons used in the civil war . The only smooth bore weapons I'm aware of from the Civil War era were cannon. So go ahead, show me wrong here. Here's the wiki article on the Springfield Model 1861, "the most widely used US Army weapon during the Civil War, favored for its range, accuracy and reliability: " Okay, you were wrong about "rifles just coming in" , and I was wrong about "no smooth bore shoulder fired weapons used in the civil war". But the context: You were arguing that the only reason the confederates were able to even partly overthrow the US government was because rifles were "just coming in". I showed that the war was primarily a rifle war. Your own link shows that only 30% of the weapons were smooth-bore, but I doubt this link is accurate and gave production figures to show why. Furthermore, I showed links showing that to military historians, the Civil War is thought of as the first rifle war. Here are some rather authoritative links to articles on the US military website. The first two are theses written by US military officers: WALL OF FIRE -- THE RIFLE AND CIVIL WAR INFANTRY TACTICSThis thesis examines the effect the rifle had on infantry tactics during the Civil War . It traces the transition from smoothbore to rifle and the development of the Minie ball. ... At the conclusion of the Civil War many units, mostly cavalry, would be equipped with Spencer or Henry repeating rifles . The one piece cartridge, mechanical reload and reliable firing mechanism made these a tremendous jump in firepower. However, most of the war would be fought primarily with rifled muskets (British Enfields and U.S. Springfields). Both sides would start the war with smoothbore muskets. oai.dtic.mil In 1861, neither the North or the South had very many rifles. The average soldier used a smooth-bore musket and only the snipers of each side employed the rifle because of the problems inherent in the slow-loading weapon. As the advantages of a rifled firearm became apparent, the North, with its large industrial ability, became the first to mass produce the rifles for use in the war. With its much smaller industrial base, the South was slow to follow but by 1863, nearly all infantrymen on both sides carried rifles . (McPherson, 475) goordnance.army.mil Small arms at Gettysburg:army.mil Also see: www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA471224 Or just google civil+war+site:.mil -- Carl