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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (216886)	2/13/2013 11:38:31 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541461

Steve, Steve, have you never had a group of friends? I don't know about you, but I have a large group of friends- we don't sit around "stroking each other"- though that is an interesting way of thinking- but we do share a frame of reference, and argue within that frame. When people have a totally different basis from which they are arguing, there is no common ground, and arguing is a different kind of stroking- namely onanism, and mostly self pleasuring at the expense of the group, and the whole thing becomes a giant, antagonistic, circle jerk. Now there are people who like those. I've seen some going on on SI for years. There are threads where people are arguing the same shit they were arguing about 15 years ago, and tossing around the same insults- why? Because they will always disagree- they simply don't have any basis to bridge the gaps in their arguments. I find that totally boring. It is possible congress is now at the same point. And that's too bad- but I see no solution. When people have no common basis of agreement- and often the religious have only their religion as bedrock- there can be no rapproachment. You seem to be upset I do not agree with you about Katelew. Must I stroke you about that? Can't you accept I found zero value added there? If not, you are whining about mutual strokings, yet getting upset when you don't get it yourself. Which is an irony too far for me. I like the thread better the less rancorous it gets. Perhaps you liked the more gritty arguments- that had no solution. If you like that sort of thing, there are certainly threads where people disagree constantly about almost everything. There is something on SI to everyone's taste. This thread, and the people on it, as they are now, are to my taste. If you want something that perfectly suits you, you must build your own thread. And I don't mean to say you can't miss Katelew all you want. But others (like me) are free to say they don't miss her. After all, if we just let your comment stand, people might think everyone agreed with it. And I certainly don't.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (216886)	2/13/2013 1:49:00 PM
From: Rarebird	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541461

I monitor all the human rights abuses through Amnesty International. I know many on the Right and Center don't recognize the organization because it is not a cherry picked US Commission. I understand Obama is dealing with a hostile House of Representatives and just about any Democrat would be a slight improvement over President Bush. But some of these human rights abuses need to be corrected: "the justifications publicly offered by senior Obama administration officials have shown only that US government policy appears to permit extrajudicial executions in violation of international law." http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/usa-disclose-reported-guidelines-drones-and-so-called-targeted-killings-201 For an extensive list of human rights abuses, including the Obama promise 4 years ago to close the Guantanimo Detention facility: http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/usa I sure have a problem viewing Obama as being anywhere near the Left since he became President.