To: Wharf Rat who wrote (38646 ) 2/28/2013 2:54:42 PM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356 What was iron concentration 50 years ago, and how much has it decreased? What part of the oceans are you interested in? I also would need to know the depth at which you want to measure the Iron concentration (Iron being heavier than water and prone to sink until churned up by some kinetic oceanic process) And what was the acidity level of those waters 50 years ago? Frankly, it's not relevant. It might be nice to know, but I think it would be nearly impossible to generate such data that could be applied globally. Everyone, EXCEPT YOURSELF, knows that it would be impossible to generate that data because NO NUTRIENTS are evenly dispersed.. They are subject to convection, currents (especially underwater), airborne carried Iron particulates. . etc.. And ocean PH varies, often SIGNIFICANTLY depending upon location.. It can vary widely on a daily basis in some coral reefs:"This study is important for identifying the complexity of the ocean acidification problem around the globe," said Scripps marine biologist Jennifer Smith. "Our data show such huge variability in seawater pH both within and across marine ecosystems making global predictions of the impacts of ocean acidification a big challenge. Some ecosystems such as coral reefs experience a daily range in pH that exceeds the predicted decrease in pH over the next century. While these data suggest that marine organisms may be more adapted to fluctuations in pH than previously thought much more research is needed to determine how individual species will respond over time. Importantly, these new sensors allow us continuously and autonomously monitor pH from remote parts of the world and thus provide us with important baselines from which we can monitor future changes caused by ocean acidification." scrippsnews.ucsd.edu Bottom line.. there is simply not enough data related to either Iron levels, OR ocean PH , from 50 years ago to make a globally applicable scientific conclusion.The only question you need to focus on is why phytoplankton grow in an Iron "fortified" oceanic environment that you claim is so acidified that it depleted phytoplankton populations by 40% since 1950. You simply cannot scientifically assert that oceanic acidity is responsible for killing off 40% of the marine phytoplankton, when all someone has to do is fertilize a HNLC zone with Iron and create HUGE blooms of bontanical life that you claim cannot possibly flourish in those acidified waters .How can botanical life suddenly flourish in the same environment that you assert has been killing them off for 60 years, merely by adding a small amount of Iron?? I cannot tell you why the oceans are Iron deficient. It very well may be due to emissions of CO2 exceeding, and depleting, the supply of available Iron. It could ALSO be due to agricultural soil conservation efforts that have prevent wind-borne Iron from being deposited in the oceans. Could be both, or neither.But the INESCAPABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT is that when Iron is added to HNLC zones, phytoplankton flourish and CO2 levels are locally reduced as those algae uptake and use it for photosynthesis. And they will do this all the way up to 1000ppm, at the very least if all other elements necessary for photosynthesis are present. Here's a potential solution to your CO2 worries that not only stands to reduce ocean acidity and reduce atmospheric CO2 levels, but also to dramatically augment the marine food chain.. And you stand a far better chance of reducing CO2 by assisting "Gaia" in feeding her botanical one-celled children, than you do in trying to get humanity to give up hydrocarbons.. At least for the foreseeable future.. HOW can you possibly have a problem with that?? Really now? Hawk