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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (21234)	3/11/2013 6:52:34 PM
From: axial	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24928

Not sure which consensus you're driving at ... the debate about a west coast pipeline and shipping oil, or the hype about US O&G "security" for 100 years. On the former there doesn't appear to be a majority yet. The battle is still being fought. BC media are saturated with ads touting the benefits of a pipeline. The money being spent is dwarfing grass-roots opposition. BC is the most seismically active region in Canada. Billions are being spent in preparation for the Big One, with an expectation of of tsunamis on the same scale as seen recently in Japan, or even larger. The BC coastline - indeed coastline from California to Alaska - will drop more than a meter in places. The effect on pipelines, docks, onshore tanks, oil transfer facilities, moored and tied-up tankers will be enormous -- not to mention the consequence of tsunami waves on shipping in coastal areas where waves funneled between islands will reach even greater heights than in the open sea. Message 28126275 Regardless of seismic risk and tsunamis, what about a good old-fashioned storm? Something that escaped mainstream media here was the linkage between this and much-criticized "safety measures" for tankers (two tugs, double-hulled, pilots, etc.). The fact is that the tugs couldn't hold the vessel in a Pacific NW storm. Couldn't hold it -- and it was smaller than a tanker, especially one broadside to the wind. If it had been a VLCC there would have been enormous damage. The only reason Kulluk's grounding wasn't a disaster? It was hardened for arctic drilling. Its strength far exceeded that of a tanker, which would have broken up. Off BC's coast, such storms are common. In general the battle is unfolding along predictable lines. Whether grass-roots opposition can defeat big-spending alliances between governments and corporate sponsors remains to be seen. --- WRT supposed US O&G security, on another thread I've posted for years on this Great Delusion. Contradicting religious belief incited incredible acrimony. Mostly (but not with complete agreement) this Naked Capitalism piece summarizes many years of SI posts: Peak Oil, The Shale Boom and our Energy Future nakedcapitalism.com --- Consensus? There is none. Regards, Jim

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (21234)	3/11/2013 9:02:19 PM
From: LoneClone	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24928

How many *GREEN advocates are paid for by US oil* ? That's an easy one -- absolutely none. LC

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (21234)	3/26/2013 5:41:14 PM
From: russet	3 Recommendations Respond to of 24928

Billionaires pour millions into anti-oil sands shell organizations The front page of the Washington Post is generally reserved for news, but Monday it ran a headline more accurately called olds: "Within mainstream environmentalist groups, diversity is lacking." You don't say. The Post gave the example of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s organization, called the Waterkeepers. Kennedy was born into America's most aristocratic political family and all their millions. They're the Massachusetts elite. Is it surprising that out of 200 waterkeepers in his club across America, only one is black? Kennedy's club is whiter than the wheat board. They're almost as white as the Klan. That's not news. Environmental extremism is a rich man's game - many minorities can't afford the luxury of hybrid cars or solar panels. Paying carbon taxes might not be a problem for multimillionaires like Al Gore, but they push ordinary people into energy poverty. Which is why no Third World countries have ever signed on to binding carbon emissions reductions in United Nations treaties like the Kyoto Protocol. It's tantamount to racism to ask China or India not to industrialize using coal-fired power plants, after Europe and America did precisely the same thing. The Post also quoted Tom Goldtooth from the Indigenous Environmental Network (IEN), based in Minnesota. He said his Aboriginal activists were pretty much only called upon by white billionaires "when they need something." See, the real money in Canadian environmentalism - the most radical money - isn't Canadian. It's from US billionaires and their foundations. So they need to camouflage it. Take the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, out of New York. Back in 2008, they wrote a 48-page campaign plan targeting Canada's oilsands. They committed to a whopping $7 million yearly budget for this battle, now in its fifth year. Page 36 of their plan couldn't be more clear: They need to put a non-billionaire, non-New York face on their campaign. They needed the help of groups like the IEN. The plan was conceived and planned and funded and managed by white guys in New York. So they made a call down to central casting to order themselves up, to quote their campaign plan, "First Nations and other legal challenges." See, if it were a trust fund kid like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - let alone a Rockefeller (whose family billions came from oil) - attacking Canada's oil industry, we would laugh and run them out of town. But billionaires are typically smarter than that. So they hired apples - red on the outside, Rockefeller white on the inside. They, along with other American foundations like the US-based Tides Foundation, have poured millions into Indian activists, directing them against Canada's interests. And against their own Indian bands' interests, too - the oilsands are the largest employers of Aboriginal people in Canada. Only in the past year have Canadian politicians woken up to the hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign money pouring in to create fake anti-oilsands shell organizations. The Rockefellers have been at it for five years - and their Aboriginal spokesmen-of-fortune have done such a good job playing aggrieved Indians, they should win as many Oscars as Dances With Wolves did. http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/03/20130326-075201.html