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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (34570)3/23/2013 3:16:52 PM
From: Solon2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"Trees for protection?"

Yes...hmmm...well, this gentleman explains it perhaps better than I could. But Yahweh is definitely terrified of people having either morality or knowledge. He plants trees to protect himself.

And remember how terrified and threatened he felt at the tower of bad babies when people wanted to see behind the clouds (acquire knowledge)?? He made them wander over the earth, unable to communicate.

"Suck this. Throw what? Paint this. Drink what??

"And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

"There are a number of issues I have with this, and since I must start somewhere I’ll just pick one of them to start with.

The first issue I have here is that today new parents typically “baby proof” their homes in order to keep potential dangers away from children. They do this to protect their children from the dangers of the world. Any parent today who left dangerous items out for their children to get in to would be either in trouble with child services for bad parenting, or pitied for their misfortune. In either case it certainly doesn’t seem like the result of an omniscient forethought or the fault of the child who does not know any better.

Clearly at this point, man had only existed for a short time. While an exact amount of time is not given, it seems clear from reading the entire chapter this conversation with adam happened quite quickly after adam’s creation (a couple of minutes to a few hours after adam’s “birth”). This means that man had never been given a reason to trust god, much less follow orders blindly. Looking at children you can see that they learn who to trust over time as they grow up. If you’ve ever spent much time around kids you know the fastest way to get them to do something is to tell them they can’t do it. It’s a part of our nature to want to question authority, and if god truly created this first man then god should have known that this sense of rebellion would be innate in man. As the creator, an omnipotent deity had to know that by telling man to not eat the fruit of that one tree, that there would be a bite taken out before the man went to bed.

The final two issues I’d like to tackle relate to what specifically this tree contains that is so bad for mankind.

“The tree of the knowledge of good and evil”
. So understanding the difference between good and evil is a skill that mankind had not yet acquired before eating from the tree, and yet adam and eve were expected to understand why they should not do something. Perhaps it’s just me, no it’s not just me, it’s any person with an understanding of simple logic. If somebody has no understanding of the difference between right and wrong, can they, or should they be held responsible for their actions? Our court system here in the US doesn’t seem to think so, but apparently “god” does.

And the most important issue, at least in my mind, is the idea portrayed by the specifics of this tree. According to the story, the only thing that is forbidden in the garden of eden is to gain knowledge. Now there are two fairly well established possibilities with this book: either it comes from god or it was written by men.
If it is in fact the word of god and accurate, it shows that god’s goal for mankind was to remain ignorant, of at least morality. For a minute try to think about what the world would be like if there was no understand of good and evil. How would people act? That is a world I’m glad I do not live in.
On the other hand, if the book was written and compiled by men in an attempt to understand the world around them and to consolidate their power, it shows the beginning stages of deflecting criticism and critical thinking of the populous. In an attempt to make themselves the sole arbiter of laws and morality, they tell people that knowledge through any source other than this book is a dangerous thing that will kill. Again, this is a world I’m glad I do not live in.

As we can see in these two short passages, we have many important problems that most people who know the basic story never concern themselves with. And the immoral and frankly disturbing message of this story is one that if critically thought about, no rational person could condone, much less praise."

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