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To: epicure who wrote (220434)	3/24/2013 10:56:52 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542888

Don't the vast majority of women have children with their husbands, regardless of what they feel when they are fertile?

To: epicure who wrote (220434)	3/25/2013 4:12:08 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542888

Science never contradicts my theories Epi. <I know it's hard when science contradicts our personal theories. > There is no point in thinking things which are not true unless one expects to get cash from the public purse or some other supply of benefits which depends on pretending to believe something which is not true. My opinions last until reality shows them to be false and not a second longer. I don't invest in my opinions other than to serve my needs to understand reality. Some people seem to have delicate egos which depend on not being shown to be wrong. I guess I'm so self-confident that I don't care if any particular idea I have turns out to be wrong. It will be abandoned without regret. There is no shortage of ideas so if one of them is wrong - no worries, there's another dozen to be had. But it's rare that they are wrong [Globalstar investment notwithstanding]. Your description of the ideal mate looked like a good description of gorillas: <What do gorillas have to do with this? Are you under the impression fertile females are in to bestiality? Gorillas are perfectly adapted for being gorillas, but they aren't very well adapted to be people. > It was you who suggested women are into such "bestiality". Let's face it, looking at the males of the human species, they do seem to be more closely related to chimps and gorillas than women are. But some of us can walk upright for most of the day before dropping down to our knuckles, so we are not all closely akin to chimps. Mqurice

To: epicure who wrote (220434)	3/25/2013 10:22:27 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542888

"You seem to be confused." Always and forever. He rides his horse backwards, and sits on his TV to watch his couch. He's expecting the New Ice Age in 2020. Indians had a name for people like him... A Contrary was a member of a Native North American tribal group who adopted behavior that was deliberately the opposite of other tribal members. The Contraries were found among the historical Amerindian tribes of the Great Plains. They were a small number of individuals loosely organized into a cult that was devoted to the practice of contrary behavior. The Contraries are related, in part, to the clown organizations of the Plains Indians, as well as to Plains military societies that contained reverse warriors. [1] The Lakota word heyoka, which translates as clown or opposites, serves as a collective title for these institutionalized forms of contrary behavior of the Plains Indians. When Lakota Indians first saw European clowns, they identified them with their own term for clowns, heyoka. History of Concept George B. Grinnell introduced the designation Contraries based on his visits to the Cheyenne around 1898. [2] Written accounts of the heyoka (i.e., the Contraries and clowns of the Lakota and Santee) were published even earlier. The cultural anthropologist Julian Steward described various forms of contrary behavior in his 1930 article The Ceremonial Buffoon of the American Indian. [3] In 1945, Verne Ray examined contrary behavior in the ritual dances and ceremonies of North American Indians and differentiated a further characteristic of the contrary complex of the Plains Indians, reverse reaction, which means to do the opposite of what one is asked. [4] [ edit] Social Role The social role of the Plains Indian clowns was ceremonial since they performed primarily during rituals, dances and feasts. Unlike the clowns, the special role of the Contraries was not restricted to brief performances, rituals or the warpath. It was their everyday life. The Contraries of the Plains Indians were unique and historically unprecedented. John Plant examined the ethnological phenomena of contrary behavior, particularly in the tribes of the North American Plains Indians. [5] The Contraries of the Plains Indians were individuals committed to an extraordinary life-style in which they consistently and continually did the opposite of what others normally do. They thus turned all social conventions into their opposites. On a certain level, the Contrary acted as an antagonist to his own people. [6] Contrary behavior means deliberately doing the opposite of what others routinely or conventionally do. It was usually accompanied by inverse speech, in which one says the opposite of what one actually means. For example, “no!” expresses “yes!” And “hello” means “goodbye”. To say “Grandfather, go away!” would be an invitation for him to come. [7] [ edit] Reverse Warriors In addition to the Contraries and the ceremonial clowns, many Plains tribes recognized certain persons having the role of “reverse” warriors. These were usually experienced warriors who in battle purposely abided by contrary, foolish or crazy principles. Generally, they belonged to military organizations that also took part in dance ceremonies. Only the “reverse” warriors used inverse speech, and only they did the opposite of what they were commanded or instructed to do (reverse reaction). The “reverse” warrior charged into battle when ordered to retreat. He could only fall back, when he was commanded to attack. [8] en.wikipedia.org