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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (708591)	4/11/2013 4:21:05 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571370

It's a little too paranoid to say, "Oh we're going after voter fraud" if it isn't happening that much (though it does happen, contrary to the juvenile claims of SilentCJ). Dude, you don't actually think that republicans are paranoid about fraud, do you? If states like Ohio, which in the eyes of republicans might have been in play, could be won by a few thousand votes, making it harder for minorities to vote might have meant the difference between loss or victory for Romney. In the end it turned out to be a miscalculation because the targeted demographics became hardened by the blatant ploy and decided to fight back...and we saw the outcome last november. But there is no question that this is what it's all about. *Republican-led state legislatures have passed most of the new laws since the party won sweeping victories in state and local elections in 2010.* They say the laws are meant to prevent voter fraud; critics say they are designed to reduce turnout among groups that typically back Democrats. Al

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (708591)	4/11/2013 5:49:34 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571370

>But again, I have to ask why citizens don't have the proper documentation, especially naturalized citizens who had to go through an extensive process in order to become naturalized in the first place. Because citizens take this stuff for granted. They don't expect to be asked "Papers, please." And you know what I call that? Freedom. I've become anal-retentively organized the last few years because I'm running my business, but ten years ago if you asked me where my Social Security card was, I'd have probably had to spend hours digging for it. This isn't just about race. There's a reason why a lot of these bills say that hunter's licenses are acceptable ID, but student ID is not. It's because hunters are more likely to vote Republican and students are not. Once again, it's not a conspiracy theory. Many of the architects of these bills will say loudly and proudly that they don't want students to vote because they vote for the "wrong people" (i.e. Democrats). I want EVERY American citizen to vote. I want Republican constituencies to turn out. If I really believed that millions of immigrants were coming here to vote illegally (why would they?), I might feel like some sort of ID were in order. But I don't. We can't even get Americans to vote (it's not that easy, and we've been jaded enough so that most people don't believe that who they vote for makes a difference). Why would an outsider take on that responsibility? It doesn't really make sense. The one guy from your links that did actually commit that kind of voter fraud was actually a German who'd had his visa revoked. What was his motive? The article didn't say. To me, the dude was a nutbag. -Z