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To: tejek who wrote (133014)4/15/2013 8:09:14 AM
From: JeffA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Comparing a state’s relative ranking in strength of gun law (as judged by the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence) to a state’s relative gun violence ranking yielded clear evidence that states with looser gun laws contributed more to the national gun violence epidemic:

These are the people who published the results. These are the people who evaluated the "strength" of a gun law. What was the criteria? Who determined "strength" and assigned values?

Chelsea Parsons - Anti-gun New Yorker, Advocate for progressive laws relating to guns. Sarah Lawrence
Charlie Posner - field organizer for public unions. Cambridge
Arkadi Gerney - Bloomberg worker, director of MAIG, New Yorker and DC Elitist, Harvard grad

This "study" used data extensively from a source that one of the authors was associated with that created the data. Truly indefensible research.

So, you tell me where there is no vested interest in the outcome of this "study" by the researchers who performed it. It is beyond the realm of any possibility that they could be unbiased. Arkadi is highly credentialed, Parsons somewhat and Posner seems to be the least experienced. They are all in the same mold. Liberal educated at elitist schools with Liberal agendas.

Does this data set seem odd? None of the time frames are the same. Any customizing going on here?

1. Overall firearm deaths in 2010
2. Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
3. Firearm homicides in 2010
4. Firearm suicides in 2010
5. Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
6. Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
7. Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
8. Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
9. Crime-gun export rates in 2009
10. Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009



Another seemingly non-neutral nor scientific evaluation criteria.

Finally, we compare this overall state gun-violence ranking with a Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence ranking of states based on the strength of their gun laws.

This stat is not correctly stated. Simply put, having access to a firearm will increase chance of success in a suicide, but it does not increase the risk of suicide.

Research shows that access to firearms increases the risk of someone committing suicide.5 A study by the Harvard School of Public Health using data from 2001 found that, because of the lethality of guns, 85 percent of suicide attempts with a firearm are fatal, whereas many other means of attempting suicide have only a 5 percent fatality rate.6

Using other anti-gun agencies as a source for data adds to the doubts to the impartiality of the data. using MAIG as a soruce? C'mon.

A study conducted by Mayors Against Illegal Guns analyzing ATF tracing data found that in 2009, 10 states supplied nearly half of the crime guns that had crossed state lines.

Here is the BS link and what ruins the "study". These are not fact based evaluation reasons, but subjective to political viewpoints.

In November 2012 the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence released an extensive
analysis examining the relative strength and weakness of each state’s gun laws.29 It considered
29 policy approaches to addressing gun violence, and states received points
for having strong laws designed to prevent gun violence such as requiring background
checks for all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and
requiring an applicant to demonstrate the need for a concealed weapon before being
issued a permit to carry one. States lost points for laws that impede law enforcement
or protect the interests of gun manufacturers such as laws providing legal immunity to
gun sellers and bans on doctors providing information regarding the risks of firearms
to patients. Using this methodology, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence ranked
the states based on the strength of their gun laws.

The following is not exactly correct so the result is highly questionable. When permits were required in MO, the permit was for handguns only. Yet the broad brush strokes used in the statment below mixes these facts. Then there is the reference to the ever neutral MAIG, lmao

While federal law requires a background check before a licensed gun dealer can sell a gun, it currently does not require background checks for private sales between individuals. For a number of years, the state of Missouri filled this gap in federal law by requiring background checks for all gun sales, including private sales. In 2007, however, Missouri rolled back its laws by eliminating the requirement that an individual obtain a purchase permit for all handgun purchases, the effect of which was to permit gun sales between private parties without a background check.32

This change in the law appears to have had an almost-immediate negative impact on gun violence in the state. An analysis by Mayors Against Illegal Guns shows that in the three years following the repeal of the private-sale background-check requirement, the gun-murder rate in Missouri rose by nearly 25 percent, from an average of 4.6 gun murders for every 100,000 residents each year between 1999 and 2007 to an average of 5.7 gun murders for every 100,000 residents each year from 2008 to 2010.33