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To: koan who wrote (41734)4/21/2013 12:42:23 PM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
Racist! You just called the first black President a liar.

You claimed Obama was lying when he called the bombers terrorists .... you think, that like you, he knows they're not terrorists, they're just dumb kids who made a mistake.



To: koan who wrote (41734)4/21/2013 12:50:47 PM
From: Paul Smith2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 85487
 
So, you think Obama tells the American people things that he does not really believe? That's what you post seems to indicate - that we have a President that lies to us. Should the media highlight his lies?

When does a "dumb kid" get to be called a first degree murderer? Is first degree murder something that average "dumb kids" do?



To: koan who wrote (41734)4/21/2013 1:46:48 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
Boston jihadi had direct contact with Chechen jihad terrorists

"But scholars cautioned Friday against concluding that the Tsarnaevs’ motives were purely religious." -- Lisa Wangsness in the Boston Globe, April 20, running interference for Islamic supremacists yet again

"Was Boston bomber inspired by Russia's Bin Laden? FBI tracked older brother 'for FIVE YEARS' after being told by Moscow of links to Chechen terrorists," by Ian Gallagher and Will Stewart for the Daily Mail, April 20:

One of the brothers suspected of the Boston Marathon bombings had direct contact with Chechen terrorists – and was ‘monitored’ by investigators for five years. The Mail on Sunday has learned that the FBI put Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, under surveillance after receiving an explicit warning from the Russian intelligence services.

But despite apparently telling his mother that Tamerlan was an ‘extremist’ leader, the FBI eventually discounted the possibility that he was a threat....

US congressmen have expressed concern that the tip-off about Tamerlan to the FBI from Moscow may not have been properly followed through.



No kidding, really?

Yesterday the brothers’ mother, Zubeidat, said the FBI once told her that Tamerlan was ‘really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him’. She added: ‘He was controlled by the FBI for five years. They knew what my son was doing. They were following every step of his.’ And his father, Anzor Tsarnaev, said investigators warned his son: ‘We know what sites you are on, we know where you are calling, we know everything about you. Everything. We are checking and watching.’

Despite all this, the FBI found no substantive evidence that he was engaged in terror-related activities though they continued to ‘monitor his internet use and contacts’.

According to an intelligence source, Russia remained convinced that Tamerlan, an ethnic Chechen, was in ‘direct contact’ with Islamist militants, most likely based in the strife-torn southern Russian region of Dagestan, where he lived for two years with his family prior to moving to the US.

During a six-month visit to Russia last year – a trip US investigators are investigating – it is understood Tamerlan visited Dagestan, which is now regarded as more unstable than Chechnya.

One theory is that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar, who was in thrall to his older brother, may have been ‘inspired’ by a rebel leader known as Russia’s Bin Laden.

Doku Umarov, like the Tsarnaev brothers, is an ethnic Chechen from the war-torn Caucasus region that lies between Europe and Central Asia. He has been accused of masterminding some of the worst terrorist atrocities in Russia, including suicide bombings carried out by two women on Moscow’s Metro system in 2010 which killed at least 40.

Significantly, while Umarov was originally fighting only for Chechen independence he has more recently embraced a wider jihadist agenda.

Chechen expert Dr Carlo Gallo, the founder of London-based political risk firm Enquirisk, explained: ‘Umarov has made statements in which he has said that the enemy of Islam is not just Russia but America, though the insurgents have never conducted significant operations outside Russia.’

It raises the terrifying prospect of further atrocities being carried out across the globe by disaffected individuals inspired by the jihadist rhetoric of the former Chechen leaders.

Last night as calls were made for Dzhokhar to be classified as an ‘enemy combatant’, the brothers’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, said Dzhokhar had been ‘used’ by his older brother who had fallen under the influence of a US-based radical of Armenian descent who ‘brainwashed’ him.

Mr Tsarni said that when he met his nephew in 2009 he was troubled by his transformation.

‘I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases. He claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It wasn’t devotion, it was, as it’s called, being radicalised.’

For many years, though, Tamerlan and his younger brother had seemed settled in the United States. They were popular at school and excelled at sport.

But it became clear yesterday that it was a series of setbacks in Tamerlan’s personal life that rendered him increasingly bitter. Individually, none seems particularly significant, but cumulatively they were devastating and caused him to turn against his adopted homeland.

Tamerlan was a promising boxer, possibly destined for the US Olympic team, but his dream was shattered by a back injury. At the same time he could only manage to secure menial work, though he was considered bright at school.

He was devastated when his best friend was killed in 2011 in an unsolved murder and then came an incident which investigators believe is particularly significant.

He was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009 – which scuppered his chance of obtaining American citizenship....

Last night the brothers’ parents defended them, as one lay dead and the other critically ill but stable in hospital. Mr Tsarnaev said there was nothing suspicious about his son’s 2012 visit to Dagestan.‘He wasn’t occupied with anything. He was just visiting relatives,’ he said. ‘I knew what he was doing, where he was going.

‘I raised my children right,’ he added. ‘This is all lies. These are my children. I know my children.’

Tamerlan is thought to have grown a long beard after returning to Boston from his trip to Russia.

Police believe he shaved it off some weeks ago because he wished to remain inconspicuous as he planned the bombing. While denying involvement in any militant form of Islam, Mr Tsarnaev confirmed that the family was religious. ‘What kind of Islam? In Islam we have purity,’ he said.

We do what we’re supposed to. We pray five times a day. That’s it.’

And denying that her sons would have hidden any secret extremist leanings from her, his wife said: ‘That’s impossible. My sons would never keep a secret. Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!’

Mr Tsarnaev added that he had spoken to Tamerlan after the marathon outrage, telling him: ‘Thanks to Allah you were not close to there and did not suffer.’...



Allah apparently had other plans.

jihadwatch.org

Stephanie | April 21, 2013 5:59 AM | Reply

... We pray five times a day. That’s it.’

Bukkari Book 8, Number 345 5 times prayers (Salat) — reduced from 50 & 15

The terrorist follow only the FIRST Islamic terrorist & 'Prophet' Muhammad

The prophet of Islam boasted, "… I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy, i.e. 8:12, 8:59 'unbelievers')" — Ref. Sahih al-Bukhari 2977, Bukhari No. 267 - 269 '… The Prophet said, "War (i.e. jihad) is deceit." '

http://schnellmann.org/counterjihad.html

Zathras | April 21, 2013 6:48 AM | Reply

It is a bloody ideology that hides behind its religious façade and is about power and control by the bearded, freeloading wife bashers called Imams. Allah is just the excuse.

vladtepes2 | April 21, 2013 6:53 AM | Reply

What motivated the Boston Bombers? ISLAM !

"But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village;
that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel;
that he boasts of having been carried to heaven,
where he received in part this unintelligible book,
each page of which makes common sense shudder;
that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame;
that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters;
that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death:
this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse,
at least if he was not born a Turk,
or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him."


Voltaire - Referring to Muhammad, in a letter to Frederick II of Prussia (December 1740)

Voltaire would tell you to cut out the liberal bullshit.



To: koan who wrote (41734)4/21/2013 1:48:50 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 85487
 
Should we follow the French example?

Nearly 15,000 French mayors will refuse to marry gay couples
Catholic News Agency ^ | 4/20/2013
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:29:31 PM by markomalley

A group of at least 14,900 French mayors has said it will not perform “gay marriages,” even if the government moves ahead with plans to legalize the practice. The administration of French President Francois Hollande has put forth a measure that would legalize “gay marriage,” allow gay couples to receive medical treatment for artificial procreation and to adopt children. “It is foolish to think that the mobilization of the elected mayors would stop if the law is passed,” said Franck Meyer, spokesman for the association Mayors for Children. “As citizens, we elected officials will not give up,” he emphasized in statements to the media. Meyer, who is mayor of Sotteville-sous-le-Val in northern France, observed that some of the mayors in the group have said they “would resign if the law is adopted,” while others “have said they will refuse” to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples. On April 12, the French Senate passed the measure sponsored by President Hollande, but it has yet to go before the French National Assembly. The Senate adopted the measure despite massive opposition from the public, including a demonstration attended by an estimated one million French citizens through the streets of Paris calling for the measure to be voted down. Nathalie de Williencourt, a French lesbian and founder of one of the largest homosexual associations in France, said in January that most homosexual individuals in the country do not want “gay marriage” or the right to adopt children. “I am French, I am homosexual. The majority of homosexuals do not want either marriage or adoption, and we especially don’t want to be treated the same as heterosexuals because we are different,” she said. “We don’t want equality but we do want justice.”

freerepublic.com




To: koan who wrote (41734)4/21/2013 2:09:40 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
Politically correct epistemic closure counterattacks Boston marathon reality

Posted by William A. Jacobson Sunday, April 21, 2013 at 10:25am

In other words, it’s not them, it’s us.

Beginning Monday there had been a non-stop attempt to pin the blame for the Boston Marathon bombing on the “right wing” and Tea Party.

It wasn’t so much an argument based on facts as a hope based on politics, most clearly by David Sirota at Salon.com, but he was far from alone, Add Boston Marathon Bombing to pile of Failed Eliminationist Narratives.

Reality smashed those hopes in the face.

As it became indisputable that the perpetrators were Chechen Muslims who expressed support for Jihad and al-Qaeda (although the full extent of their connections is not known), the narrative shifted.

Now the emerging narrative is that these killers were not part of a vast foreign conspiracy but isolated “ lone wolves” who became disenchanted with American society, who were not fully integrated into society, who were unhappy with their lives here and thus became radicalized.

It’s a straw man framing of the issue, because the choice is not between a highly integrated international conspiracy and some solo brother team who didn’t know nothin’ about nobody.



Maybe it’s somewhere in between. Framing the issue this way shifts the focus to American society, how the brothers’ became alienated by us, by our actions, how we need to look in the mirror not at jihadism:



If only we had been nicer, none of this would have happened.

In other words, it’s not them, it’s us. They were radicalized here, by us. Even if they don’t come right out and say it, that’s the implication.

We’re also seeing a full-blown attempt to excuse away the Jihad angle to the story. This was foreseeable:



And it’s being revealed in story after story:

The motives, so mysterious and unknown?



The politicians are on board:



We can never know, can we, when there is epistemic closure.

If posting Jihadi videos on YouTube is not enough of a clue, what will be enough?


legalinsurrection.com