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To: Greg or e who wrote (35678)4/28/2013 1:55:06 AM
From: average joe  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 69300
 
Scientists find fossils that are millions of years old in Panama Canal

By The Associated Press April 26, 2013



Part of a jawbone thought to belong to an extinct type of horse called 'Anchitherium clarencei' found by paleontologists during a project to recover fossils during the Panama Canal expansion, is displayed after a news conference in Panama City, Friday, April 26, 2013. A group of scientists and paleontologists have completed a project with the Panama Canal Authority to recover the fossils of at least ten new species of animals that inhabited the earth millions of years ago. (AP Photo/Arnulfo Franco)

PANAMA CITY - U.S. and Panamanian paleontologists have discovered fossils of several species that lived in Panama more than 20 million years ago.

Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute paleontologist Bruce MacFadden says in a statement the discovery will help to better understand the biodiversity and geological formation of the Central American isthmus during the Tertiary Period.

The Smithsonian and the Panama Canal Authority began a joint effort five years ago to look for and dig up samples of fossils, rocks, shells and driftwood in the area of the Panama Canal.

Among other things, the scientists found pieces of teeth that belonged to an extinct giant shark and jaw fragments of a small horse that lived in the same area millions of years ago.

The discoveries were announced Friday.

http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Scientists+find+fossils+that+millions+years+Panama+Canal/8302711/story.html#ixzz2Rjc7taZI



To: Greg or e who wrote (35678)4/28/2013 6:03:43 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
There are very good reasons for naturalism, because it implies the use of reason to understand what can be observed empirically, tested & experienced in the world, then communicated. How does one seperate the revelation of science of the various manifestations of such grand order everywhere you look , laws of cause & effect , the purposeful evolution of the Universe which has so attracted proponents of Intelligent Design? Do you really need the revelations, supernatural & miraculous stories to give you real reasons to be good & nice ?

The most profound teachings are found in spoken parables about interpretations of the most ordinary experiences & observed behaviors in the natural world. Naturalism implies understanding the "nature of things" including ourselves and we learn the greatest lessons from observing we are still very much a work in progress. But we are still living still in quite a deterministic material reality dominating everything & everywhere you look, but theres always hope.

We don’t have free will in the sense of being able to choose or decide without being fully caused in our choices or decisions. Instead, as individuals we are part of the natural unfolding of the universe in all its amazing complexity.


This is true.






To: Greg or e who wrote (35678)4/28/2013 6:40:09 AM
From: 2MAR$1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
The real gem of the article besides some quotes from Daniel Denett & Sagan is his link to this fellow Alex Rosenberg's essay from the National Humanities Center . There are some very tuff realities about the nature of the Universe that is very deterministic & why is it that a loving God created all the evil in the world again? And why when you examine the true historical thread of developing human social order it reads as one long continous unending arms race? Spread your wings, this is a very excellent read , there's a mystery here for sure and its called tuff "Reality". (really read the whole thing not cut n paste ok ?)

The Disenchanted Naturalist’s Guide to Reality The Purpose Of The Universe And Other Easy Questions
onthehuman.org

This nihilistic blow is cushioned by the realization that Darwinian processes operating on our forbearers in the main selected for niceness! The core morality of cooperation, reciprocity and even altruism that was selected for in the environment of hunter-gatherers and early agrarians, continues to dominate our lives and social institutions. We may hope the environment of modern humans has not become different enough eventually to select against niceness. But we can’t invest our moral core with more meaning than this: it was a convenience, not for us as individuals, but for our genes. There is no meaning to be found in that conclusion.

or this fact that we are deterministic beings, which is part of the mystery because are from "Nature" and there is much less free will than you "think".

Then there is the fact, discovered by Libet, that actions are already determined by your brain before you consciously decide to do them! (As for determinism and the denial of real free will, that is a conclusion which, so to speak, goes without saying for scientism.) We have to add to these illusions of the will and sensory experience, robust experimental results which reveal that we actually navigate the world looking through the rear-view mirror! We don’t even see what is in front of our eyes, but continually make guesses about it based on what has worked out in our individual and evolutionary past. Discovering the illusion that we are looking through the windshield in stead of the rear view mirror, along with so much more that neuroscience is uncovering about the brain, reveals that the mind is no more a purpose-driven system than anything else in nature. This is just what scientism leads us to expect. There are no purposes in nature; physics has ruled them out, and Darwin has explained them away.
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To: Greg or e who wrote (35678)5/7/2013 5:58:59 AM
From: Solon2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"Naturalism denies that there are any spiritual or supernatural realities. There are, that is, no purely mental substances"

And you believe there are "mental" "substances"?? Do you have a clue what you are cut n' pasting?? If you believe that mentation is physical, then you are simply supporting modern science. DUH!