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To: DallasKevin who wrote (42394)	4/29/2013 12:54:50 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

"And I can almost guarantee you that your parents came here illegally. If you don't believe me, just ask any Native American" really ? look up the clovis people/souletreans. they were here first and they came from FRANCE so the ASIANS that came here later, the ones you call native americans (hey pal there are no NATIVE americans) have to leave. now what say you ???

To: DallasKevin who wrote (42394)	4/29/2013 1:00:44 PM
From: longnshort	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

"Sigh* As I stated over and over again, they pay over $11 billion in taxes every year, in addition to paying for your retirement (because they will never be able to draw from it) by paying between $6-7 billion per year to Social Security." SIGH Illegals cost us 100 BILLION a years so I don't care about the 6 billion, can you do MATH ? The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year. Jack Martin, director of special projects for FAIR, says the group is still working on its estimate, but believes undocumented workers leave taxpayers with a fat bill, considering that the government spends money on the workers, and they almost never pay income taxes. "The study of the fiscal effects of illegal immigration clearly demonstrates that it is a burden on the American taxpayer," says Martin. More forceful implementation of immigration laws could save each U.S. household "in the neighborhood of a couple of thousand dollars a year." Cost estimates usually only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) All those interviewed for this story said they can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents. Martin argues that more than half of the country's illegal immigrants work in the "underground economy," meaning that they are paid cash under the table, without paying any kind of taxes. Arizona's Gateway For Illegal ImmigrantsStates usually bear the brunt of the burden. Arizona state treasurer Dean Martin says his state loses between $1.3 billion and $2.5 billion each year on illegal immigrants. In addition to the fiscal costs of incarcerating and educating illegal immigrants and their families, Arizona also faces a variety of other indirect costs, says Martin, who favors Arizona's controversial new immigration law. Arizona has higher car insurance rates, he says, because illegal immigrants who cross the border often steal cars that they use to move further into the country. Undocumented workers are also more likely to perpetrate hit-and-run accidents, he says, because they are afraid of being deported if they are caught. Not only does this add to car insurance rates, but it also stretches police resources, he says. "Unfortunately we are the gateway for illegal immigration, and that puts a bigger strain on our economy than other states," he says.

To: DallasKevin who wrote (42394)	4/29/2013 1:04:38 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

No humans evolved in the Americas, god I hate talking science with a liberal

To: DallasKevin who wrote (42394)	4/29/2013 1:08:32 PM
From: clear	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Sigh As I stated over and over again, Sigh Worthless rhetoric repeated ad nauseum is still just worthless rhetoric. they pay over $11 billion in taxes every year, in addition to paying for your retirement (because they will never be able to draw from it) by paying between $6-7 billion per year to Social Security. Whoa! Are you admitting that illegals are using fake SSNs?? Didn't you just say that that was impossible? And I can almost guarantee you that your parents came here illegally. If you don't believe me, just ask any Native American...if you can find one alive. Conquered people don't get to make the rules. That's why they got conquered in the first place. The conquering nation had no problem with allowing Europeans to settle the country. Simply, the Indians were no longer in control so his parents almost certainly did NOT come here illegally.