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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (133747)5/1/2013 3:53:23 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 149317
 
"Is it because Libya has oil and Syria doesn't?"

Is it that we shouldn't have gone to Libya to seek monsters to destroy, and that he's learned his lesson?

John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy (1821)

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.


She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

When John Quincy Adams served as U. S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (133747)5/1/2013 1:29:15 PM
From: koan  Respond to of 149317
 
It is not practical to think you can control everything the way you want or even strictly according to a header. All of the Democratic threads post everything from songs to recipes.

The best thing is to have a group of thinking people and let them go. All work and no play makes John a dull boy.

Regarding the Boston bombing I felt that was a non story. We do too much sensationalizing of that stuff and the right wing feeds on it to build up hysteria in the nation. They were just stupid people and there will always be stupid people. Many more people die from a zillion other causes each day than terrorism.

If you want to talk about the most important issues, IMO, you would talk about:

1) The inevitable nuclear war someday between Pakistan and India and how that will affect the world; and worldwide nuclear proliferation.

Iran, Syria and the entire middle east and half the world. China's hegemony in the east as it affects Japan, the Philippines, south Korrea and other eastern nations and on and on.

2) global warming.

3) The take over of the country by the large corporations and plutocrats.

4) the US poverty level and how many die each day from lack of job safety and health insurance.

5) the fact the dems will probably not get back the house for a decade and probably lose the senate in 2014; and the fact that is all a result of the war between the liberals and conservatives. So discussing liberal conservative sis kind of important.

6) The conservative war on women, minorities, gays and voting rights.

And the war between left and right is at the heart of most of our problems. So we ought to know what it is. The right wing and neo cons have been, and are now, taking us over a cliff

Etc.