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To: Brumar89 who wrote (35927)5/8/2013 7:52:36 AM
From: Solon1 Recommendation  Respond to of 69300
 
"Ancient Greeks and Romans had different moral and ethical principles than modern folks do"

Nice for you to admit that morality is relative. However, I believe we were discussing the dumbing down which has occurred in modern times as regards classical learning. And (of course) moral principles will always remain fairly constant so long as human nature (and Nature herself) dictates the conditions by which life succeeds and by which life fails. Not rocket appliances, Ricky...



To: Brumar89 who wrote (35927)5/8/2013 7:57:49 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Talking labels & dumb nonsense again, the templates for all civic & personal virtue both good & bad trace directly back to that early republic & empire , there's no projecting about it. Because you live in a modern vacuum with only a very limited bias tucked under your belt but here's very little changed of humanity since then, as we saw just in the last century & this so keep dreaming.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (35927)5/8/2013 8:36:51 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Much like our great depression that was a great equalizer of men ,Rome went thru a dozen General/Emperor changes, inflation went wild , economic fortunes were destroyed , trade ruined , chaos & depression was everywhere . So charity, forgiveness, acceptance & sharing became a set of natural philosophies to cope with all that threat. And for this Christianity does its greatest growing & finds its greatest appeal , out of desperate times when all people's security in the empire was threatened, once wealthy folks are thrown in with the common man in similar fate,

The new religion of Christianity contained very real fundamental coping mechanisms in its philosophy as we see any animal subjected to fear ,stress hopelessness & uncertainty will certainly turn in desperation. There was the dawning then of a realization that no special "divine" labels applied to any individual, that all men were equals capable of a charity that involved simple communion & sharing.

What we call Christianity is born out of those realities & conditions , it does get an "A" for the inclusion of women in the services to a greater extent than that culture had ever seen before . As for charity, communion , all men being equally created beings needing to get their own acts together , this was already preached & practiced long before Jesus comes on the scene. As was the act of martyrdom also a way to change the game & influence the popular mind, Jesus was not the first martyr to ever live. I assume you are familiar with Felicity & Perpetua, these two women were great game changers with their martyrdom but Romans already cherished & protected their women , so that scene was too much for some to bear.

The idea of martyrdom as a mode of change of popular mind was not new nor Jesus the first martyr to ever live, nor the idea of charity & philosophy of the equality of men either, that story starts long long before.
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