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To: Land Shark who wrote (39695)	5/11/2013 6:35:26 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 86356

Yeah, its cool in Alaska and the US east coast and Europe ( dotnet.sys-con.com ) and Japan ( japantoday.com ).

To: Land Shark who wrote (39695)	5/12/2013 12:46:36 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	4 Recommendations Respond to of 86356

Land Shark you are an idiot and a fraud. You are afraid of those who know science and think fairly and critically. My proof of being fair minded and seeking informed opinions are demonstrated by the facts below. I had posted over 1000 times on your moderated thread. Subject 23540 The Environmentalist Thread I was banned because you find that the Laws of themodynamics do not apply to Global Warming. Originally that thread was moderated by another. When he was moderator My name appeared in all revisions or the Thread's Original post from 2008 Throught 2012 when you took over the thread I suppose. siliconinvestor.com Link to revisions. 07/30/2012 11:59:27 AM 09/19/2011 02:43:39 PM <-- see the revision of the thread message updated by Land Shark. 07/12/2011 10:30:04 AM 07/05/2011 03:55:03 PM 07/05/2011 03:32:23 PM 09/18/2008 02:40:35 PM 07/08/2006 03:20:37 PM This is the next to last thread header as posted by the origingal moderator of The Environmentalist Thread This thread is meant for serious discussion on environmental issues and promotion of a sustainable planet. Are you a member of what is know as the "Tree Huggers Society" or care about environmental issues? Well you have come to the right place. What's your issue? A worthwhile suggestion from Tom Watson for two resources: climatedebatedaily.com timesonline.typepad.com As moderator I will tolerate some dissent and skepticism over the environment movement. I do ascribe to free speech within limits. Flames and personal attacks will not be tolerated. Nor will this board be a echo chamber for anti-environment nonsense. I will use the ban button judiciously and sparingly. Have a nice day.

To: Land Shark who wrote (39695)	5/14/2013 11:16:04 AM
From: longnshort	6 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Wind farms continue to kill wildlife as government stays silentThe Obama administration is reportedly applying different rules to the killing of birds for wind energy companies and for companies that use non-renewable resourcesby The Commentator on 14 May 2013 12:25 Around once a month, according to local reports, a golden eagle is killed by the spinning turbines of the wind farms in Wyoming, USA. Killing these birds is a federal crime, one for which the Obama administration has pursued oil companies for when birds drown in waste pits, or when power lines electrocute them. But critics have claimed that due to the 'green' nature of the wind turbine technology, government officials are reluctant to pursue those responsible. According to Redding.com, the administration has never fined or prosecuted a wind-energy company, "even those that flout the law repeatedly". The Wildlife Society Bulletin claims that more than half a million birds are killed by America's wind farms each year, including hawks, falcons and eagles. The study, published in March, was a peer-reviewed report. "It is the rationale that we have to get off of carbon, we have to get off of fossil fuels, that allows them to justify this," said Tom Dougherty, a long-time environmentalist who worked for nearly 20 years for the National Wildlife Federation in the West, until his retirement in 2008. "But at what cost? In this case, the cost is too high." In 2010, BP was fined $100m for killing and harming birds during the Gulf Coast oil spill. Pacificorp paid over $10.5m a year prior for electrocuting 232 eagles along its power lines and at substations. "What it boils down to is this: If you electrocute an eagle, that is bad, but if you chop it to pieces, that is OK," said Tim Eicher, a former U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement agent based in Cody, who helped prosecute the PacifiCorp power line case. The Obama administration has even proposed a rule that would give wind-energy companies decades of shelter from prosecution for killing eagles. The regulation is currently under review at the White House. The proposal would allow companies to apply for 30-year permits to kill a set number of bald or golden eagles. Previously, companies were only eligible for five-year permits. The government said the longer permit was needed to "facilitate responsible development of renewable energy" while "continuing to protect eagles." Under both the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, the death of a single bird without a permit is illegal, however an AP Impact briefing states that the Obama administration continues to overrule experts, and the wind-industry, which was part of the committee that drafted and edited guidelines on the matter, continues to get almost everything it wants.