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To: teevee who wrote (43527)	5/12/2013 8:15:17 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 85487

"C02 as a greenhouse gas was thoroughly debunked back in 2009 in the peer reviewed paper here:" LMAO. "his theory could be summarized in just two sentences: 'The greenhouse gas theory that has been used for the last century is TOTALLY WRONG! The proof is left as an exercise for the reader'" where is the beef It boils down to the following: A. Miskolczi does not understand Kirchoff's Law. oops rabett.blogspot.com

To: teevee who wrote (43527)	5/12/2013 8:20:41 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 85487

The 2nd law of thermodynamics is consistent with the greenhouse effect which is directly observed. Skeptics sometimes claim that the explanation for global warming contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. But does it? To answer that, first, we need to know how global warming works. Then, we need to know what the second law of thermodynamics is, and how it applies to global warming. Global warming, in a nutshell, works like this: The sun warms the Earth. The Earth and its atmosphere radiate heat away into space. They radiate most of the heat that is received from the sun, so the average temperature of the Earth stays more or less constant. Greenhouse gases trap some of the escaping heat closer to the Earth's surface, making it harder for it to shed that heat, so the Earth warms up in order to radiate the heat more effectively. So the greenhouse gases make the Earth warmer - like a blanket conserving body heat - and voila, you have global warming. See What is Global Warming and the Greenhouse Effect for a more detailed explanation. The second law of thermodynamics has been stated in many ways. For us, Rudolf Clausius said it best: "Heat generally cannot flow spontaneously from a material at lower temperature to a material at higher temperature." So if you put something hot next to something cold, the hot thing won't get hotter, and the cold thing won't get colder. That's so obvious that it hardly needs a scientist to say it, we know this from our daily lives. If you put an ice-cube into your drink, the drink doesn't boil! The skeptic tells us that, because the air, including the greenhouse gasses, is cooler than the surface of the Earth, it cannot warm the Earth. If it did, they say, that means heat would have to flow from cold to hot, in apparent violation of the second law of thermodynamics. So have climate scientists made an elementary mistake? Of course not! The skeptic is ignoring the fact that the Earth is being warmed by the sun, which makes all the difference. skepticalscience.com