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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (40217)	5/28/2013 1:27:06 AM
From: Maurice Winn	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

16cm sea level rise in 100 years. Hardly a worry. Do you know how much sea level rise a tsunami can cause in 1 second? Hint, it's a lot more scary than that. Wharfie, you are using an average over 100 years. I was describing drought and summer in the 1950s. You obviously don't know that major peaks in temperature can last for a year or three and not deflect a 100 year trend. <I'd like to say I remember NZ when it was 0.9 degrees C cooler, but I'm not that old, and I've never been to NZ. Fortunately, we have records to show me that your memories are but public displays of senility. > I also recall from the 1950s frozen puddles on the way to school but there have not been hard frosts in Auckland for decades [though we do still get frosts of ice on lawns]. We would get 2 degrees of frost back in the day. NIWA is full of fanatics. Don't expect too much sense from them. Looks as though Dunedin is too: <Last week Dunedin City Council responded to the effect by annoucing new homes would have to be built 1.2 metres higher off the ground. > Do they really think that 1.2 metres will offer tsunami protection? Typical government people trying to solve a problem but incurring major costs for their citizen-serfs without achieving anything useful. More likely due to bung hydrological work: <"We are already getting to see that in Nelson where we are getting the one-in-100-year floods happening every few years now. That's not just because of sea level rise, that is because of extreme climate change." > Laughable - there has not been "extreme climate change". The Fox, Franz Josef and other glaciers have been retreating since before the arrival of the English: < retreat of South Island glaciers – ice volume in the Southern Alps is down 11% in the past 30 years> Gibbston Valley was fully of glacier 10,000 years ago. Now it's full of grape vines. A pleasant change. Hopefully it continues [unlikely after 2020]. There are drumlins around Mount Ruapehu, but the snow line has retreated over centuries and skiing is now way up the mountain. That happened long before CO2 levels started rising due to people burning carbon en masse. Mqurice