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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (40227)	5/28/2013 11:06:21 AM
From: teevee	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

more junk science BS from Wharfy, the rat who has not taken enough warfarin;-)

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (40227)	5/28/2013 11:50:36 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	1 Recommendation Respond to of 86356

rat, what you cannot seem to comprehend is no one takes any information from your wizards of oz at the end of your yellow brick road or rubber rooms as the case may be.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (40227)	5/28/2013 12:09:45 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	1 Recommendation Respond to of 86356

well rat it seems that using good ole fourier anaysis and alternative modelling set of equations is being reported. joannenova.com.au Fourier Analysis reveals six natural cycles driving temperatures, no man-made effect: predicts cooling Lüdecke, Hempelmann, and Weiss found that the temperature variation can be explained with six superimposed natural cycles. With only six cycles they can closely recreate the 240 year central European thermometer record. There is little “non-cyclical” signal left, suggesting that CO2 has a minor or insignificant effect. The three German scientists used Fourier analysis to pick out the dominant cycles of one of the longest temperature records we have. The Central European temperature is an average of records from Prague, Vienna, Hohenpeissenberg, Kremsmünster, Paris, and Munich. The dominant cycle appears to be about 250 years. There is also a cycle of about 60 years, corresponding to the Atlantic/Pacific decadal oscillations. Data is of course, always the biggest problem. If we had 10,000 years of high quality global records, we could solve “the climate” within months. Instead, we have short records, and Lüdecke et al, make the most of what we have. The European records are only 240 years long, or (darn) one dominant cycle, and only one region, so to check that the results are valid over longer periods they also analyze a the 2000 year Spannagel Cave stalagmites proxy, where the dominant cycle of roughly 250 years is confirmed. To show that the results apply to other parts of the world, they look at the German Alfred Wegener Institut (AWI), Antarctica series. Ominously, the temperatures of the dominant cycle (in Europe at least) peaked circa 2000 and if the six-driving-cycles do represent the climate then things are going to get cooler, quickly. Wait and see… Fourier analysis can’t tell us what causes the cycles, but it can tell us the likely frequency, amplitude and phase of those cycles. If these are accurate, it can be used to rule out significant effects from man-made forces and ultimately to predict what will happen next.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (40227)	5/29/2013 12:46:53 AM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Yes, that's your theory. But good luck explaining the "travesty". The Global Alarmists realized years ago that their theory was bung and a travesty was going on. Correlation is not causation. Yes, there was 0.7 degrees of warming while CO2 rose. But oops a daisy, CO2 continued rising but the temperature did not. Travesty alert! I don't deny that extra CO2 might cause Global Warming. I simply observe that the climate and its variable causes are complex and the facts as demonstrated by reality have "denied" the theory of the Global Alarmists. Now there is a scramble on to adjust the theory to match the inconvenient truth. "Hey, lookit all that heat in the deep ocean". That's one explanation [excuse]. "Hey lookit all that air pollution". "Hey, lookit all those clouds." "Hey, umm, the other things too." Even the climate "scientists" acknowledge that the facts of reality are the determinant of scientific theory truth or not. The travesty continues Mqurice