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To: Blasher who wrote (37070)	6/4/2013 12:08:25 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

Yep the trade was "the SPY fade" since Ben's speech, TSLA too of course needed pruning so hope u caught some of that, now see where dippers come in, Fed is going to ween the system off the stimulous by nov/jan. The "God" you seek is not a God thats "out there" , which is what the philosopher is trying to say to you. The true scripture or "script" is inside our own psyche's which was the great discovery of the Greeks which was the existence & exploration of the human psyche itself, what we refer to as our "nature" which the Greeks started looking more deeply at the "internal." Our nature always begins & rises out of our naturally wired states, from undeniable heirarchy of needs that are expressed with every human being. Those needs that are universal regardless of the social/cultural context evry human must have. And believe me they are very rudimentary, elemental and not that profound really but absolutely powerful and cannot be denied. That Greek philosopher is as much or more a prophet in his own right by what he's trying to tell you, which is --->there is "No God Out There". There are much better places to look and science is really looking hard now in those areas. There is only what is internal within you, we are complicated beings after all, much going on inisde that needs to be schooled/trained, ruled & disciplined. One doesn't need ancient scripture to remind of all these human needs, of wise observances & restraints. You want to find God, you know where to look , and yes it can be in a church, it can also be in a science lab, it can be out in a field or in a high rise skyscraper. Why would act or feel anymore holy spirit at church than in your own bathroom?

To: Blasher who wrote (37070)	6/4/2013 1:55:13 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

God also does not stop evil, even for those who love Him, because He tests us and He uses "tough times" for us to help build us and strengthen us. In many ways a dead beat father or mother it would seem ? I'm not sure much of a case can be made for this "free will" as a proof of a Creator my intuition tells me you are looking in the wrong place for proof , so its still all up to you? Following wisdom thats been pretty commonly discovered thru the ages & expressed by many philosophers, sages, buddhas or messiahs. So its a universal thing at best found in many a scripture or creed, certainly not dependent on being an atheist or a believer, the atheist has all the same access to all that good philosophy, sans "God" , as well. Every human being goes thru the same stages of life from birth to death, the same changes in physiology & metabolism from activities of youth to later age. Sure, there are daily struggles which used to be just having enough to eat, now its how not to eat too much. There are people that have a huge problem just getting clean water let alone enough to eat, so they don't have this problem of overeating. Obesity is a huge problem for men & women in developed countries though, who do fall prey to sedentary living, one of the worst killers out there. So food becomes a great evil or which call would you make? Speaking clean water, drinking plenty of it , i'm sure Jesus had another "ideal" meaning for this , but think for a moment about those that have little access to the real thing? Not all do you know, they would prolly rather have the clean water than the ascetic philosophy. One can tell this fellow was fasting & leading the ascetic life,this kind of verse was spoken by sages a 1000-2000yrs before Jesus who led the ascetic life, which is the heart of Christianity as taught by Jesus, later to be socialized & institutionalized and even became secular. "If you believe in me, you will never thirst." "Rivers of living water shall flow from your bellies." - Jesus (in John 7:38)

To: Blasher who wrote (37070)	6/4/2013 4:15:15 AM
From: Solon	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"He uses "tough times" for us to help build us and strengthen us." No. A child starves to death every few seconds after long suffering as a result of tough times. People live or die due to circumstances both in and beyond their control. It is irrelevant what they believe or who they pray to. Nobody is sorting it out. The hurricane or tsunami or fire or car wreck does what it does--and starvation or a bad virus in the air or on your plate does what it does. You don't get toughened or strengthened when some guy with a gun follows his particular god voices and drills bullets through a crowd of people, or when some asshole blows a group of people up with a bomb. Yeah, life can make survivors tough--when they survive. But by the time we go to the boneyard, most of us will be shadows of people---weak, sick, and suffering. And some of us (perhaps, luckily) will have no idea who we are or what we once were--or what it was like to be strong and free--or to feel the joy of facing into the wind...