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Politics : Immigration and its Reform -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DallasKevin who wrote (268)	6/10/2013 7:47:18 AM
From: ChinuSFO	2 Recommendations Recommended By Geoff Altman R2O Respond to of 270

This from the eyes of a naturalized US citizen: This no doubt is a country of immigrants and they have contributed a lot to the greatness of this country. While the early citizens were poor, unfed and escaping persecution, the immigrants since the 50's have largely been professionals who brought their skills for the betterment of this country. (e.g. Henry Kissinger etc. etc.). the Silicon valley is full of them. Illegal immigration has become a problem today. We Americans are to blame for it because we have always wanted to hire cheaper labor. We need to abandon that desire first. High fences cannot stop illegal immigration. People will always jump those fences as long as we Americans want to hire them. So big business needs to cooperate first by voluntarily acting as immigration agents by reporting fraudulent presentation of green cards etc. etc. If that is enforced strictly, then we would not need a fence and all the added costs to monitor those areas that go with it. Secondly, I hear that these illegal immigrants can become naturalized citizens after some years. Once they do so, then they can act as seed immigrants and bring their entire families (brothers, sisters, their spouses, their children etc. etc.) The question is whetehr they should be eligible to do so. The only people they should be able to sponsor are their immediate family members and parents. Not the entire baseball team. There needs to be that distinction between amnesty naturalization and regular naturalization. Or else why did I wait in line for my turn as an immigrant? And I will admit that I took the full course of the law in that I brought my entire baseball team here even though it took 20 years to do so. But I did everything legally. There needs to be that distinction between legal naturalization and amnesty naturalization.

To: DallasKevin who wrote (268)	6/16/2013 9:17:03 PM
From: clear	1 Recommendation Recommended By Geoff Altman Respond to of 270

In other words, if you say the KKK is a racist organization, you are considered "more racist" for pointing it out. Total bull. No one would accuse anyone of being racist for pointing out the KKK is a racist organization. Yes, I am sure you know more about me than I know about myself. You know that in my 53 years, I have never found the meaning of "racism". I claim to know little about you other than what you say. And what you say tells me you don't know what racism is. I'm sorry, I believe you are mixing me up with "Mr. Kenniwick Man", for whom everything IS about his own race...including where the American Indians came from. You refused to say that being in favor of one's own race was racist. I asked you several times. go back and look. You don't see that making racist statements IS racist? I see that you think some things that are said are racist when they aren't. However, when it is pointed out that only slightly more than half of the illegals in the US are from Mexico, Stop the biggest flow first and work your way down. and that the common thought is that ALL illegals are Mexicans (and all Mexicans are illegals) It's not even close to being the 'common thought'. but we do know that most invaders are coming from Mexico. Even non-Mexican invaders. I completely agree with you. Then you have recently changed your mind. I guess one can not be against racism and pro-equal rights for all Americans and not be called a "liberal". Strawman. You guys try to use this crap, saying "ugliest form of racism", like in your mind this is more ugly than lynching a man because he is black Lynching is a form of murder, not racism. is it a racist act? Not if it's done for horse stealing. Yes, if it's done because of race. A racist act is done by a racist, but it isn't racism. You aren't correct calling lynching a form of racism. The forms of racism are overt and covert (such as race-baiting). hunting and shooting border crossers because they are Mexican or beating and raping little minority kids because they are "just animals anyway". Another strawman. you are implying that invaders wouldn't be shot if they weren't mexican. That's a load of crap. Plus, no one would be shot by the border patrol if invaders simply put their hands in the air and surrendered. And no one anywhere condones beating and raping anyone. You simply refuse to debate in an honest fashion. I already know this, because I asked you before and you never answered. This is another false accusation by you. i'm calling you a liar straight up. Show me where you asked me if i have served.. you haven't. You toss accusations around rather glibly. Another sign of dishonesty. when you're so dishonest, why should we believe anything you say?