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To: i-node who wrote (721046)6/13/2013 2:23:38 PM
From: Alighieri  Respond to of 1578633
 
My god. Do you think Obama isn't doing precisely the same?


No one is suggesting that Obama is breaking the law. There are suits by the ACLU about the constitutionality of the law....the SCOTUS has already dismissed a similar suit by the ACLU.

The Ninth Circuit isn't going to be agreeing with Bush on anything, and will probably be fine with anything Obama does.


They didn't because he was breaking existing law...

Al



To: i-node who wrote (721046)6/13/2013 3:28:56 PM
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  Respond to of 1578633
 
Inode,
To suggest that federal judges are somehow final arbiters of what is and is not "legal" is sorta naive
There is nothing naive about it. These hypocrites are coming up with excuses that would have made no difference in whether they would have objected to Bush doing it.

Don't get caught up in this red herring. Argue from the standpoint of clear boundaries between public and private information. Personally I would have assumed that even our phone records can remain private without a court order, but I guess that assumption is now thrown out of the window.

Let's not forget that if the NSA can snoop our phone records, so can the IRS. And we all know there are "rogue agents" in the IRS targeting conservative groups, which the White House has NO CONTROL OVER, LOL ...

Tenchusatsu



To: i-node who wrote (721046)6/13/2013 4:09:44 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1578633
 
"To suggest that federal judges are somehow final arbiters of what is and is not "legal" is sorta naive, "

Except that they ARE, Dave. On and up to those final arbiters, the Supremes. Who let lower court arguments prevail MANY more times than they take the case.