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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 9:53:13 PM
From: Harmens  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218744
 
Thank u, Maurice,

Well written.

The ugly truth is that Ed Snowden needs to go to China or Russia - these are the only two places there he can survive. In Iceland he will be found drowned in a couple of years.

Quite obviously he wants to quit his previous occupation and live a good decent life. Not a chance!

He will pay for his freedom by cooperating with Russian or Chinese secret services. And if he provides NSA information to them, they will use it to spy on other people

Sad.

Harmens



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 10:54:18 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218744
 
(1) the case shall end up in hong kong court, and likely remain in 'decided' state of hong kong court, and china would not have the right, per agreement w/ britain, to intervene in hong kong court, and i am guessing especially so if the hong kong court decision is handed down by anglo judges practicing the traditional and original brand of british common law

and in the mean time, young edward comes out swinging

making the cogent point that china and hong kong laws have been broken per effective declaration of cyber war by cyber arena bully of dubious and hypocritical character

hong kong's court is to do only one task, upholding hong kong law, and of course all crimes against hong kong must be exhaustively investigated in hong kong

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EXCLUSIVE: US hacked Pacnet, Asia Pacific fibre-optic network operator, in 2009 | South China Morning PostComputers at the Hong Kong headquarters of Pacnet – owner of one of the biggest fibre-optic networks in the region – were hacked by US spies in 2009, adding fuel to the diplomatic fire that has engulfed the Obama administration this month over its cyber-snooping activities worldwide.

According to information provided by Edward Snowden to the Post, computers owned by Pacnet in Hong Kong were attacked by the US National Security Agency but the operation has since been shut down.

The latest revelations come as the scope of cyber-spying by US and UK secret agents widened with new reports by The Guardian newspaper claiming the UK spy agency, GCHQ has the means to tap into a wealth of data held in fibre-optic cables.

Last week, Snowden made the explosive claim that hundreds of computers in Hong Kong and mainland China had been targeted by the NSA over a four-year period.
The information on the attacks on Pacnet are based on a range of details including dates, domain names, internet protocol numbers and other operational details provided by Snowden.

If the legal system in a country allows for tapping into fibre-optic connections, there is little control over it at the other end.
Prof. Chow Kam-pui, HKU
Pacnet, which has global headquarters in Hong Kong and Singapore, owns more than 46,000 kilometres of fibre-optic submarine cables and provides connections to 16 data centres for telecom companies, multinationals and governments across Asia Pacific.

Its regional network spans Hong Kong, the mainland, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and Singapore.

Pacnet Network. Photo: SCMP Pictures

Pacnet has five data centres on the mainland with the most recent opening last December in Tianjin.

It also has offices in the Netherlands and the US.

Last Thursday, Pacnet announced that its joint venture in China, Pacnet Business Solutions, had signed new deals with the three major mainland telecom providers: China Telecom, China Unicom and China Mobile.

Pacnet said its service agreements with the three companies would see it provide “border gateway protocol” services to the firms. Broadly speaking , the “border gateway protocol” is the protocol which ties the internet together.

The move allows the company to service global cloud computing providers who want to set up on the mainland.

The claims about the NSA hacking into computers such as Pacnet’s follows on from last week’s revelation that the Chinese University of Hong Kong had been targeted by the spy agency. Snowden says that the US is targeting “network backbones” through which large quantities of data pass.

The university is home to the Hong Kong Internet Exchange, a comprehensive infrastructure hub through which all the city’s internet traffic passes.

After Snowden’s claims were made public by the Post, Hong Kong Secretary for Security Lai Tung-kwok announced that police had checked the hub and that the government had set up round-the-clock monitoring of the exchange.

Chinese University says it checked its servers and had not detected any attacks, but it did not specify between what period it had investigated.

According to its official website, Pacnet owns and operates the leading pan-Asian submarine cable network and has a presence at 19 cable landing stations, extending from India to the US.

Pacnet website. Photo: SCMP Pictures

In January 2008, the company was rebranded Pacnet after a merger between Asia Netcom and Pacific Internet, which the company claimed made it the communications firm with the largest regional footprint and the most extensive submarine cable infrastructure.

Pacnet is privately owned. According to its website its ownership includes London-based Ashmore Investment Management and Clearwater Capital Partners of New York. Reuters reported in January last year that the owners’ plans to sell the company had stalled due to lower than expected bids.The majority of fibre-optic connections in Hong Kong lead to the United States because some of the most important internet services – such as the domain name service, some popular cloud computing services and search engines like Google and Yahoo – have their roots in the US, said professor Chow Kam-pui, associate director of the Computer Forensics Research Group at the University of Hong Kong.

Professor Chow Kam-pui, associate director of the Computer Forensics Research Group at the University of Hong Kong.“If you’re on the internet, you would be using fibre-optic connections to the US most of the time,” he said.

He said if the NSA tapped into fibre-optic connections it would probably do so at the American end, he said. Tapping into the connections at the Hong Kong end would need physical access to the system, he added.

“If the legal system in a country allows for tapping into fibre-optic connections, there is little control over it at the other end,” he said.
The claims that the NSA has been hacking into computers with links to fibre-optic networks comes as new Guardian reports reveal that Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters had secretly gained access to the network of cables which carry the world’s phone calls and internet traffic and has started to process vast streams of sensitive personal information which it is sharing with its American counterpart. The documents show that one key innovation was that the data could be drawn from cables for up to 30 days so it could be sifted and analysed.

That operation, codenamed Tempora, has been running for some 18 months, The Guardian reported.

The types of data collected ranged from recordings of phone calls, email messages, Facebook entries and the history of any internet user’s access to websites.

“It’s not just a US problem. The UK has a huge dog in this fight,” Snowden told the Guardian. “They [GCHQ] are worse than the US.”

The Guardian’s report said a source with knowledge of intelligence argued that the data was collected legally under a system of safeguards, and had provided material that had led to significant breakthroughs in detecting and preventing serious crime.

UK officials could also claim GCHQ “produces larger amounts of metadata than NSA”. (Metadata describes basic information on who has been contacting whom, without detailing the content.) The documents reveal that by last year GCHQ was handling 600m “telephone events” each day, had tapped more than 200 fibre-optic cables and was able to process data from at least 46 of them at a time.

Additional reporting by Jennifer Ngo and the Guardian



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 11:02:44 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218744
 
(2) hong kong system re extradition is clear ... ball(s) to the court system

and freedom hong kong's nuclear-backed and co-orbital anti-satellite swarm reinforced system of clear rule of cogent law has already outputted a clear first response to team usa demand, namely, "f--k off"

hong kong law does not allow extradition for politically-colored crimes, and i am guessing especially where the request for extradition comes from those who broke hong kong laws

further more, hong kong law does not allow extradition in cases where, by hong kong standard, the victim of the extradition request is likely to face torture - yeah, uncle sam, good luck on that point :0)

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US files espionage charges against Snowden, calls for his arrest in Hong Kong
Whistle-blower Edward Snowden is facing up to 30 years in jail after the US government filed espionage charges against him and reportedly called for his arrest in Hong Kong.

The Sunday Morning Post understands that contrary to reports yesterday, the former CIA technician is not under the protection of the police and has not been detained.

The 30-year-old is said to be "in a safe place" in the city.

Snowden made global headlines on June 9 when he broke cover in Hong Kong and admitted being the source of leaks to newspapers which revealed widespread phone and internet surveillance by the US National Security Agency.



The US government filed a sealed criminal complaint dated June 14 in the US District Court in Virginia, where Snowden's former employer Booz Allen Hamilton is based.

But details were made public only on Friday, US time - which, coincidentally, was Snowden's 30th birthday.

Snowden is accused of theft of government property, unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence to an unauthorised person.

If convicted, he could be jailed for up to 10 years on each count. By filing the charges, the US government has launched a legal process under which the Hong Kong authorities must identify offences under the city's law equivalent to the theft and espionage charges.

Hong Kong's extradition treaty with the US stipulates it cannot surrender a suspect accused of offences which would not be crimes under Hong Kong law.
The treaty also allows the suspect to walk free if the charges are ruled to be politically motivated.

Police in Hong Kong refused to comment on the development and said the government "will handle the case strictly in accordance with the law and procedures of Hong Kong".

Without referring directly to Snowden, Police Commissioner Andy Tsang Wai-hung said if a foreign jurisdiction which had signed a mutual legal assistance agreement with Hong Kong filed a legal request to the city, the government and the police would handle it according to local law and protocol.

"Such request will go through [our] Department of Justice and local courts," Tsang said.

Last night there was no official confirmation from the Department of Justice that a formal request to detain Snowden had been made by the US authorities.

US officials have reportedly asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden under a US-issued provisional arrest warrant, but Tsang said such a mechanism did not exist in Hong Kong. He said: "We only enforce the Hong Kong law here, not foreign laws." Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen Kwok-keung said if the extradition process was triggered, the government would not allow anything illegal or unfair to happen.

He said Snowden's case would be treated like any other.

On Friday, Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying said the government was highly concerned about the case and that a progress report would be released to the public at an appropriate time.

Former security minister Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee said that under the Fugitive Offenders Ordinance, if Washington does request extradition then Beijing must be notified before any action is taken.

She said the Hong Kong equivalent of the US Espionage Act was the Official Secrets Ordinance.

But Civic Party lawmaker Ronny Tong Ka-wah disagreed. "Because the Article 23 [national security legislation] was not passed [by the Legislative Council in 2003], the ordinance only prohibits leaking national secrets of Commonwealth countries," he said.

Snowden has said he chose to come to Hong Kong because he believed in the city's judicial independence.

"I've had many opportunities to flee Hong Kong but I would rather stay and fight the United States government in the courts because I have faith in Hong Kong's rule of law," he told the South China Morning Post on June 12.

An Icelandic businessman linked to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said on Thursday that a Chinese-owned private jet was on standby to fly Snowden from Hong Kong to the Icelandic capital, Reykjavik, where he could seek asylum.



How it all unravelled: the diary of informer Edward Snowden

June 6 The Guardian reveals the US government is mining phone records from American telecommunications giant Verizon. The company has been forced to hand over information to the National Security Agency (NSA). The report reveals for the first time how the administration of Barack Obama is collecting large amounts of personal information from the public.

June 7The Guardian and The Washington Post expose top-secret NSA activities, including the Prism surveillance programme, based on information from whistle-blower Edward Snowden. Prism is a clandestine national security electronic surveillance programme operated by the NSA since 2007 that targets millions of people worldwide.

June 9The Guardian publicises Snowden's identity at his request. He explains his reasoning for forgoing anonymity: "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong." He also reveals he is hiding in Hong Kong.

June 12 Snowden speaks exclusively to the South China Morning Post. In a frank hour-long interview, the former CIA operative says the US government has been hacking computers in Hong Kong and mainland China for years. He also vows to fight likely attempts by Washington to extradite him for leaking state secrets. "Hong Kong should not be put in a position to defend the criminal attacks of the US NSA," he says.

June 13 The FBI launches a criminal investigation and vows to take "all necessary steps" to prosecute Snowden for exposing the programmes. "These disclosures have caused significant harm to our nation and to our safety," FBI director Robert Mueller says. "We are taking all necessary steps to hold the person responsible for these disclosures."

June 14 Snowden shows classified US government data to the Post that provide a rare insight into the effectiveness of Washington's top-secret global cyberspying programme. The detailed records show specific dates and IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the NSA over a four-year period. The hacking revelations unite Hong Kong lawmakers. Legislative Council president Jasper Tsang Yok-sing becomes one of the first leading political figures in the city to comment on the furore. "Hong Kong people will feel worried if the allegations are found to be backed by facts," Tsang says.

June 15 Hundreds of people rally in support of Snowden, marching from Chater Garden to the US consulate in Central, before continuing to the Hong Kong government headquarters in Admiralty. The demonstrators hand a letter to consulate officials calling on the US to stop monitoring innocent people.

Monday The Guardian publishes more details from the former US intelligence analyst, revealing that Britain spied on delegates at two G20 summits. Later, Snowden takes part in an online question-and-answer session with the newspaper. He bats off suggestions that he is in cahoots with China and says being called a "traitor" by former US vice-president Dick Cheney is "the highest honour you can give an American".

Wednesday Any hope Snowden has of gaining asylum in Hong Kong is dealt a blow as the UN High Commissioner for Refugees' office says no case will be "fast-tracked". The UNHCR says priority is given to older cases.

Friday As Snowden marks his 30th birthday holed up in Hong Kong, Icelandic businessman Olafur Sigurvinsson volunteers publicly to whisk Snowden to Iceland on a private plane. Hours later, the US government makes public charges against Snowden under the Espionage Act.

Yesterday The Hong Kong government is silent on Snowden's fate. Police commissioner Andy Tsang Wai-hung says only that all foreign citizens must comply with local laws.

Danny Lee



The view on the street

"It doesn't matter if he's a refugee or political criminal; let's see if [the Hong Kong government] wants to give him asylum. Hong Kong has become part of China. Now Hong Kong is trapped in the middle like a sandwich. It's better to let a third party deal with it. Based on the Basic Law, Hong Kong doesn't have the diplomatic right; it depends on the Chinese government."
Roger Keung, 33, engineer

"It depends on what Hong Kong thinks he has done wrong. As an employee, he shouldn't expose his company's information. But he thinks the US government has done the wrong thing. And he exposed this based on his conscience."
Julia Lai, 33, administrator

"I think the current Hong Kong government led by C. Y. Leung is incapable of dealing with Snowden. The Chinese government is more likely to make the decision in this case. I think the Hong Kong government shouldn't extradite him back to the US, because he speaks up for the public and the unprivileged, not only for the American citizens."
Iris Sze, 32, artist

"They should arrest him and send him back to the US and let him face the charges he has being accused of. If there has been an agreement made with the US I think that they need to stick to the [extradition] agreement. I do feel that he is putting US citizens in more danger by what he has done and I do feel like it is a criminal act."
Susan Worley, 51, housewife

"I think the Hong Kong government shouldn't arrest him, because he did the right thing. Now we can see the US government did the wrong thing, just like how it accused the Chinese government."
Kong Siu-chun, 60, trader

"They should let him go, because I honestly feel he took it upon himself to make a decision … that the people of America would have wanted him to do. He took a very dangerous step to do what he did and I feel as an American-Canadian that my privacy is exposed through social media, so nobody's really private … I think he needs to [stand trial in] the US and not in Hong Kong."
Donna Striebe, 65, interior designer

Danny Lee and Vicky Feng



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 11:07:45 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218744
 
(3) should china wish, china can of course veto hong kong's decision should hong kong make "yes" decision on extraditing young edward, whereas china cannot veto hong kong decision to keep young edward especially in cases where he is needed to uphold laws of hong kong where such were broken, and assisting w/ investigations

additionally, china can request hong kong to extradite young edward to beijing as material witness for investigation re cases where china mainland laws have been broken, just for example

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EXCLUSIVE: NSA targeted China's Tsinghua University in extensive hacking attacks, says Snowden | South China Morning PostTsinghua University in Beijing, widely regarded as the mainland’s top education and research institute, was the target of extensive hacking by US spies this year, according to information leaked by Edward Snowden.

It is not known how many times the prestigious university has been attacked by the NSA but details shown to the Post by Snowden reveal that one of the most recent breaches was this January.

The information also showed that the attacks on Tsinghua University were intensive and concerted efforts. In one single day of January, at least 63 computers and servers in Tsinghua University have been hacked by the NSA.

Snowden said the information he shared on the Tsinghua University attacks provided evidence of NSA hacking because the specific details of external and internal internet protocol addresses could only have been obtained by hacking or with physical access to the computers.

The university is home to one of the mainland’s six major backbone networks, the China Education and Research Network (CERNET) from where internet data from millions of Chinese citizens could be mined.

The network was the country’s first internet backbone network and has evolved into the world’s largest national research hub.

It is one of the mainland’s non-commercial networks, owned by the Ministry of Education, but operated and maintained by the university and other colleges.

Universities in Hong Kong and the mainland were revealed as targets of NSA’s cyber-snooping activities last week when Snowden claimed the Chinese University of Hong Kong had been hacked.

Chinese University is home to the Hong Kong Internet Exchange, the city’s central hub for all internet traffic.

Snowden said the NSA was focusing much attention on so-called “network backbones”, through which vast amounts of date passed.

In the wake of Snowden’s claims, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs set up an office to deal with diplomatic activities involving cyber security.

The new cyber affairs office is the first of its kind on the mainland with a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman saying that Beijing, long accused of cyberhacking by the United States, has been a “a major victim” of cyberattacks and that it opposed “cyberattacks in all forms”.

She added that the central government would discuss cybersecurity issues with the United States at next month’s Sino-US strategic and security dialogue.

Professor Xu Ke, deputy director of the Institute of Computer Networks at Tsinghua University, has previously said that most data passing through network backbones was not encrypted.

Xu said most attacks on such networks were carried out by governments because individual hackers “could gain little”, as the amount of information they faced would be “colossal”.

Only governments or large organisations would have the resources and manpower to “find the needle in a haystack”, he said.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 11:11:36 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 218744
 
(4) i do not know how much data re criminal wrong-doing can be contained on several laptops and numerous flash sticks, plus whatever may be accessible from cloud storage facilities, but at least one more criminal wrong-doing is for sure, and doubtlessly must be investigated

am just wondering when and how other nations would be asking the hong kong authorities to address issues w/r to laws broken elsewhere across this planet

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EXCLUSIVE: US spies on Chinese mobile phone companies, steals SMS data: Edward Snowden | South China Morning PostThe US government is hacking Chinese mobile phone companies to steal millions of text messages, Edward Snowden has told the South China Morning Post. And the former National Security Agency contractor claims he has the evidence to prove it.

The former CIA technician and NSA contractor, hiding in Hong Kong after the US sought his arrest, made the claims after revealing to the Post that the NSA had snooped on targets in Hong Kong and on the mainland.

Edward Snowden. Photo: AP“There’s far more than this,” Snowden said in an interview on June 12. “The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cell phone companies to steal all of your SMS data.”

Text messaging is the most preferred communication tool in mainland China, used widely by ordinary people and government officials from formal work exchanges to small chats.

Government data show that the Chinese exchanged almost 900 billion text messages in 2012, up 2.1 per cent from the year before. China Mobile is the world’s largest mobile network carrier, with 735 million subscribers by the end of May. China Unicom, the second largest, has 258 million users. China Telecom comes in third with 172 million users.

Snowden’s leaks have rocked the international community for the past two weeks and fired up a debate about US government surveillance of citizens’ phone calls and internet browsing data without due cause.

For years, cybersecurity experts on the mainland have been concerned that telecommunications equipment was vulnerable to so-called “backdoor” attacks, taking advantage of foreign-made components. They have kept quiet because domestic hardware suppliers were still striving to catch up with their international competitors.

The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cell phone companies to steal all of your SMS data.
Now, as the likes of Huawei, Datang and ZTE dramatically improve their suite of products and the reliance on foreign-made parts has dropped, some experts with ties to Beijing have become more vocal.

Fang Binxing, president at the Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications and widely believed to be the father of China’s “great firewall”, which restricts access to the web, told News China in October last year that foreign equipment was a serious threat to national security.

President Fang Binxing of the Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications. Photo: Xinhua

“China should set up a national information security review commission as soon as possible,” he said.

Telecom companies have started replacing foreign-made equipment.

China Unicom quietly replaced all Cisco routers at a key backbone hub in Wuxi, Jiangsu last year, according to the National Business Daily.

The changes are being kept quiet to avoid panic and embarrassment to the government, people in the industry say.

A series of reports based on documents provided by Snowden to The Guardianrevealed how the US compelled telecommunications provider Verizon to hand over information about phone calls made by US citizens.

The leaked documents also revealed the Prism programme, which gave the US far-reaching access to internet browsing data from Google, Facebook, Apple, Skype, Yahoo and others.

The US and UK also had technology which gave them unauthorised access to Blackberry phones of delegates at two G20 summits in London in 2009, Snowden said.

The US government has defended its electronic surveillance programmes during congressional hearings with claims that up to 50 would-be terrorist attacks were foiled because of the intelligence gathered by the NSA.

US President Barack Obama says the NSA is not listening in on phone calls or reading emails unless legal requirements have been satisfied.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (101367)6/22/2013 11:13:42 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218744
 
(5) game on, and let us see just how cretin an idea was to engage against young edward

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EXCLUSIVE: Snowden reveals more US cyberspying detailsUS spies are hacking into Chinese mobile phone companies to steal text messages and attacking the servers at Tsinghua University, Edward Snowden has told theSunday Morning Post.

The latest explosive revelations about US National Security Agency cybersnooping in Hong Kong and on the mainland are based on further scrutiny and clarification of information Snowden provided on June 12.

The former technician for the US Central Intelligence Agency and contractor for the National Security Agency provided documents revealing attacks on computers over a four-year period.

The documents listed operational details of specific attacks on computers, including internet protocol (IP) addresses, dates of attacks and whether a computer was still being monitored remotely.

The Sunday Morning Post can now reveal Snowden's claims that the NSA is:

  • Extensive hacking of major telecommunication companies in China to access text messages
  • Sustained attacks on network backbones at Tsinghua University, China’s premier seat of learning
  • Hacking of computers at the Hong Kong headquarters of Pacnet, which owns one of the most extensive fibre optic submarine cable networks in the region
  • Pacnet, which recently signed major deals with the mainland's top mobile phone companies, owns more than 46,000 kilometres of fibre-optic cables. The cables connect its regional data centres across the Asia-Pacific region, including Hong Kong, the mainland, Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan. It also has offices in the US.

    Snowden claims that data from Chinese mobile phone companies has been compromised, with millions of private text messages mined by the NSA.

    Cybersecurity experts on the mainland have long feared mobile phone companies had fallen victim to back-door attacks because they were forced to go overseas to buy core technology for their networks. In recent years, those security concerns became more vocal and as a result domestic network equipment suppliers such as Huawai, Datang and ZTE started to close the technology gap, enabling the phone companies to reduce their reliance on foreign suppliers.

    As for the attacks at Tsinghua University, the leaked information points to the NSA hacking into the institute's servers as recently as January.

    Tsinghua is widely regarded as China's top education and research institute and carries out extensive work on next-generation web technologies.

    It is home to one of the mainland's six major network backbones, the China Education and Research Network.

    China's reaction to the new revelations will play a large part in the final outcome of the Snowden episode but so far Beijing is playing its cards close to its chest.

    Mainland experts said last night they believed Beijing would neither go out of its way to help the US government or give protection to Snowden.

    "In the bigger scale of things, Sino-US relations outweigh any information Snowden may have. It is also impractical for China to hope Snowden will co-operate with us. If he wanted to do that, he'd have flown to Beijing," said an expert in Shanghai who requested anonymity.

    "On the other hand, the Chinese government will not do anything over-and-above to help the US speed up the extradition process. It will let Hong Kong handle the case according to the protocols and laws," the expert said.

    Shi Yinhong, an international relations professor at Renmin University, said eventually the best solution for Beijing is to let Snowden leave Hong Kong. "It doesn't matter where he goes, as long as he is not in Hong Kong."

    Shi said Beijing would react strongly if Washington tried to strong-arm Hong Kong into cooperating. He said China would insist that everything must be done according to the city's laws.

    Harry's view