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To: carranza2 who wrote (101434)	6/23/2013 11:47:27 AM
From: Mannie	Respond to of 218877

That was my reaction also... HK must have told him to move on.

To: carranza2 who wrote (101434)	6/23/2013 12:09:52 PM
From: Joseph Silent	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218877

In other words, he is blowing it from a PR basis. What choice does he have, really? The world is a mess and US Longhand forces him into ridiculous places. Computers and networks were meant for progress and not for this.

To: carranza2 who wrote (101434)	6/23/2013 4:15:15 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Recommended By Joseph Silent Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218877

C2, Edward has not yet cleared Russian airspace and can be apprehended forthwith. In any event he is not throwing in his lot with Vladimir et al, he is transiting, which is quite a different kettle of fish. <Also undercuts his claims that his interest lies in preserving freedom. And linking up with RasPutin will also be seen as a liability. > Preserving his freedom is obviously important to him and reasonably so. When The Empire attacks, any port in the storm is reasonable. Hong Kong was perhaps not necessarily going to leave him alone. He can presumably return there any time. Meanwhile, as shown by Ecuador giving asylum to Julian Assange, banana republics are people too and should not be unduly denigrated. Venezuela is also not a beacon of freedom but sometimes freedom has to be taken where it is found. When Venezuela, Russia and Cuba are more interested in freedom than is the USA, one must start asking serious questions. Similarly with China being seen as a place for asylum. 30 and 40 years ago, it would have been absurd to think of Russia, Cuba and China as places to flee to instead of away from. This appears to be the tipping point between the millennia of alpha male territorial kleptocratic genocidal dominance hierarchy temporal tribalism and We the People aligned with the new realm of Cyberspace sentience. You are with us or against us. Mqurice

To: carranza2 who wrote (101434)	6/23/2013 5:30:40 PM
From: TobagoJack	Respond to of 218877

re pr, whatever may be the case in the isa, team world is now put on notice in the mean time, hong kong gets on with the spill (increase cyber security spend) and continues to enjoy now-tested freedom and publicized liberty scmp.com Snowden made the right move Edward Snowden, the world's best-known whistle-blower and fugitive, is out of our hands and far away. He left his hiding-place in Hong Kong yesterday morning and flew out after the US filed espionage charges and asked our government to send him back. Washington's legal documents have been found wanting and a request for further information has been sought; the clarification, if forwarded, will obviously come too late. There could be no better outcome for our city and China. Snowden's choice of Hong Kong to hole up in while he revealed who America was spying on and how its surveillance operations were conducted was genius. He broke cover just days after presidents Xi Jinping and Barack Obama had agreed at their maiden summit to cultivate stronger ties based on mutual trust. Hong Kong, the former intelligence agency contractor explained, had a sturdy rule of law, free media and proud tradition of protest - attributes he considered were in his favour for a fair hearing. Being in China at a sensitive time for relations with the US, but in a place where the "one country, two systems" model gave him a global voice and the possibility of protection was a clever strategy. Hong Kong and Beijing were put in a bind. A Sunday Morning Post survey found that 49.9 per cent of Hongkongers were against Snowden being returned to face charges. Should he not be handed over under the terms of a treaty and the case go through the courts - a process that could last up to five years - relations with the US would likely sour. Similarly, while Chinese authorities were secretly pleased that the hypocrisy of US claims of Beijing's cyberspying had come home to roost, to intervene would jeopardise diplomatic gains. That officials here and in Beijing kept their cool is admirable. Documents released by Snowden show that the US' National Security Agency not only intercepted the phone and internet records of Americans, but also spied on Hong Kong-based telecommunications firms and Chinese institutions, companies and citizens. Anger at such uninvited intrusions should be expected; instead, there was calm and silence. Whatever we think of Snowden or his tactics, he has served us well by sparking the much-needed debate on government access to personal data. His departure from our city closes the Hong Kong chapter of his story; our government did as it should and Beijing was wise to keep a distance. The best interests of the nation and Hong Kong have been served.