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To: skinowski who wrote (101444)6/23/2013 4:46:44 PM
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  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218880
 
There may be a little truth in every side of it, but in the end ..... when you are caught on the

wrong side of an organization, a little snooping and getting shot may end up be the same thing.

When I look at people like Pelosi and Schumer argue, I instinctively know what it must feel like to argue from the view of one who butters your bread, and not from the view of the 4am baker. What must it feel like to defend a view which, deep down, you probably know is wrong ..... but can't get yourself to admit is wrong .... because you want to be in the party?

I wonder. About instinct.



To: skinowski who wrote (101444)6/24/2013 12:33:17 AM
From: Riskmgmt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218880
 
Not sure I follow you there Ski,

Both Elsberg and Snowden risk life in prison or being assassinated for telling the truth about what really goes on in Government, the manipulation, lies and unlawful acts. Those in Government convince themselves that they are of an elite class that is beyond the law, a higher calling and therefore can order, or be party to lies and despicable acts such as murder, blackmail, etc.

To quote Elsberg "The public is lied to every day by the President, by his spokespeople, by his officers. If you can't handle the thought that the President lies to the public for all kinds of reasons, you couldn't stay in the government at that level, or you're made aware of it, a week. ... The fact is Presidents rarely say the whole truth—essentially, never say the whole truth—of what they expect and what they're doing and what they believe and why they're doing it and rarely refrain from lying, actually, about these matters. [30]

Snowden is not Elsberg obviously, but he has a giant pair to give up a comfortable life of the elite to face the condemnation and threats he is facing now is heroic in the extreme. In this they are similarly great Americans.