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To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (14104)	12/7/1997 1:41:00 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Freddy, saying you APPARENTLY believe in slavery is obviously simply a way to draw out your real opinion, since you have been asked the question before and still haven't answered it, as I recall. I think there are a lot of Americans who still believe in slavery, or at least wish things were still the way they were in the 1940's. All those skinhead/militia-type people pointedly flying the Confederate flag are making a political statement about their feelings about race much more than states' rights. I don't have the time right now to figure out what I think about your discourse on nineteenth century history. I will have to do some research before I can comment, and I am spending today digging out from under out-of-control paperwork. History is growing on my kitchen table, to the extent it is becoming a fire hazard!!!

To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (14104)	12/8/1997 10:24:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Okay, Freddy, I have spent hours now reading about slavery and early American history. Slavery was intact for only eight months after Lincoln was assassinated, when it was abolished everywhere in the United States with the thirteenth amendment. Of course, you didn't mention that there were, relatively speaking, very few slaves in the North during this time period. I have always realized that there is a complicated history surrounding this subject, and that there were compelling economic issues in the South which made slavery justifiable as a source of very cheap labor. However, there was also a long history of Americans who were very uncomfortable with slavery, as well, especially Quakers, just as there is evidence that Lincoln was personally offended by the idea of holding slaves. This discussion sort of reminds me of Johnny's assertion that Lincoln held slaves. I did a really thorough search on the net to try to find out if this were true, and could find nothing. Then you volunteered, as I recall, that some relatives of Mary Todd Lincoln held slaves. I think there is a big difference. I wonder if anyone who is attempting to justify slavery on this thread realizes just how offensive you may be to black people who read your words, or if you are even concerned. In any event, what I wonder is whether you are defending slavery. It is really simple to throw in just enough history to pretty much confound the underlying moral questions.