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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9747)	12/6/1997 11:29:00 PM
From: Stretch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Wow praise the Lord! I never knew that there was a thread like this. I have always tried to sneak in a Little about Jesus in my posts but here I can put it out in the open. Jane thanks for letting me know about this thread. God Bless everyone here! Phil

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9747)	12/7/1997 12:42:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Let me start off by making a statement of were I am coming from; First of all I HATE NO ONE PERIOD, includes Blacks, Indians, Mexicans Ect... and their associated beliefs as well. I am Jewish and celebrate many of the Jewish holidays Passover Ect.... I do believe that Yeshua (Jesus) laid his life down for my sins and all people of this world. I can only share what I believe but I will never be disrespectful of other peoples heritages and religious beliefs I may not agree but through sharing and caring I feel strongly that God will touch whoever and reveal the truth in his own time frame and way. I agree that the Jewish people have rejected Yeshua (JESUS) as there Messiah. This Judgment attitude by you is what drive allot of potential believers away from Jesus. (THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE). Here are some of your statements; "You call yourself a Christians but you seem to want to associate more with antichrist Talmudic Judaism than with your true brothers in Christ" Antichrist is a hate word I am sorry but it just is HATE HATE HATE. "The early Apostles, disciples and Jewish believers left antichrist Judaism You seem to want to falsely claim a validity for antichrist Talmudic Judaism. Again you use the word Antichrist aimed at Jews because they lack the acceptance of THEIR Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). More Hate. "Talmudic Judaism is a place where religious teachers teach little children to hate Christ" This statement really hits a nerve suggesting that Jews teach their children to HATE Yeshua (or Christ as you put it) More Hate by you. "I beg you to expose this evil rather than condone." Jews are EVIL? They may be lacking Yeshua in there lives but EVIL I think not. More hate from you. "All the promises of God are in Christ Jesus. There are no promises for those in antichrist Talmudic Judaism. Its a religion of death." Again I see hatred in your words. How can your mind be so twisted from the truth? "Your praise is of men. You want to exalt and give glory to Talmudic Judaism rather than to the Body of Christ--the Christian Church." A Jew can study and believe the Old and New Testament and accept Yeshua (Jesus) and stay a Jew. Take your man made religion elsewhere. "Those Jews who today truly love Jehovah and are trying hard to do the old testament thing." You call the Old Testament a THING. Creation is depicted in this THING you refer to. As well as knowing God more by reading his words.(THING) "To encourage members of modern Talmudic Judaism, or any other false religion for that matter, to believe that they have access to Jehovah God without accepting Jesus is the highest form of hatred." This is really something to comment on. First of all the Jewish religion in my eyes is not a False religion. They do practice and read the Old Testament and lack Yeshua in their lives. The Old Testament is Gods word and the Jewish people are closer to the truth than you will ever be. For if you reject the Jew you have rejected God. Jews have rejected Yeshua (Jesus) because of people like you let me explain; Have not Christians persecuted and killed Jews for centuries? Has not the cross been a symbol of death to the Jews? Has not the church issued discriminatory laws against the Jews? Has not the name of Jesus been used to scorch Jewish homes and bodies? Has not baptism been used in forced conversions to Christianity and as an excuse to separate Jewish children from their families? All of this is true and so is allot more. It may be questioned whether those who perpetrated these atrocities were really Christians, but they certainly called themselves that. Can Jesus be held responsible for the way in which his name has been used or misused by those who profess to follow him? Jesus and the New Testament do not sanction such acts against the Jews.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9747)	12/7/1997 1:09:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Dear Emile. This is about the strangest barrel the Lord has put me over in years. I sure hope it is His Perfect Will that all this goes on in broad daylight, because we're talking some heavy stuff here, and things that are almost unknown except to advanced social history freaks and conspiracy theory experts. And I hope you realize not one person in ten even believes in a conspiracy of any kind, so you are really stepping out on a ledge, and taking me with you, I might add, but that's o.k. I know that you are not going to compromise 1/16th of an inch on this, and I know we're getting closer and closer to a test of the utlimate compromise resistance here one year soon down the road, and all of this is true, but Alan is my friend, and.....Emile, Alan is Jewish, and his wife is Jewish and his children are Jewish, his relatives, and everyone in his nuclear universe, now just how do you think he's going to take a blanket indictment of the entire Jewish nation. Knowing Alan, not too happily, as you see. You want to stand for truth as you know it, and cannot and will not compromise with the enemies of Jesus Christ, which most everyone would agree at this point is about the whole world except for us born agains, and this is right, but to alienate a brother in Christ, Alan, who does love Jesus, seems wrong. Surely we, and I mean this in the purest sense of we who do love God and believe in His Son as our personal Savior, can find a better way to drop nuclear bombs about history--which happened, which no one can really deny because it is in fact true-- on someone a little easier than to open fire on them with two massive torpedoes designed for total overkill. And that advanced knowledge of history is rather like a low-yield nuclear weapon dropped on someone's head. How is anyone supposed to know this stuff if they haven't been sleuthing it out for years? That's some heavy history you're laying on him. Or even the brothers on the thread. Emile, I know you are calling me on compromise when we can have none, but again, what good is Jesus's life and death if we can't ever put on the brakes just a little until a critical situation has passed, and reason can replace anger. Personally, Alan has a point of balance that he is trying to make here with us. And between your loyalty to Jesus Christ and your utter devotion to no compromise whatsoever with the gospel of Jesus Christ and Alan's own experience to date with Christianity gone mad, I believe the Holy Spirit would like to do something here if He can. Remember that we were all warned that things would get so crazy and so hard to sort out that if God did not shorten that time, even the very elect would hardly make it. I hope Alan doesn't mind my speaking for him, but he is my friend, and I believe if he or anyone else thinks they hear something which is not being said at all, they will not, and cannot in a state of anger, ever hear what is being said. And he is saying something that I can hear. And I know why he is angry. We're just drifting toward one of the dead elephants again, and that's good. If Alan wants to talk about it, he will. I'm going to leave this to our Lord to sort out, and He can.