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To: koan who wrote (47711)	7/6/2013 1:00:32 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

The waters were polluted, and would still be polluted without the wealth creation of the free market that frees us up to care about pollution. All sorts of poorer countries, and a number of communist countries, had laws about pollution, just having a law doesn't get it done. Its even more true when you move from environmental concerns, to the well being of workers. Yes in earlier stages of development there are sweat shops but people flock to them because they represent a stage up. Then where more wealth is created economies move away from such things. And no its not mostly a matter of laws. If less free and poorer countries pass such laws earlier in their development the laws get ignored, or the inspectors get bribed, or in the unlikely event they actually have very tight laws very strictly enforced, they damage their own development, and keep people in poverty. Even for the US, look at workplace safety. OSHA likes to display a chart of workplace deaths dropping sharply since they where created. The facts behind the chart are true, but misleading. Yes death dropped sharply after OSHA started, and they where dropping just as sharply before its creation. Getting back to the environment - The worst environmental destruction has been in the relatively developed countries that were least economically free, for example in the Soviet Union, not in places like the US.

To: koan who wrote (47711)	7/6/2013 1:01:04 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 85487

"You are dead wrong. Our rivers and waterways were so polluted until the clean water act and EPA they were dangerous to everyone. Capitalism caused that, it did not solve it." epa lol that would be Nixon who you hate and the pollution was caused by FDR and 40 years of democrat control, the people you love. "Do you remember when Lake Erie caught fire? " no, no one remembers that because lake erie never caught on fire, did you get bit of news from the comedy channel ?

To: koan who wrote (47711)	7/6/2013 1:12:40 PM
From: miraje	4 Recommendations Recommended By Brumar89 i-node Little Joe TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Our rivers and waterways were so polluted until the clean water act and EPA they were dangerous to everyone. Capitalism caused that, it did not solve it. What an ignorant statement. If you've ever visited any 3rd world sh!thole or spent time in the former USSR, you'd know what real pollution looks like. So would you be willing to state that communism, socialism or primitive tribalism cause pollution? Pollution is what it is, and reasonable and enforceable laws to curtail it are in the best interests of all. The current EPA has gone far beyond reasonable and has sailed off into radical green loonyland..