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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (9756)12/7/1997 1:07:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Greetings Nancy, and welcome to this thread. I would personally like to state some concrete facts where myself and some other " brethren " are coming from. It is because of the promise given to Abraham in Gen 12:1-3, that Myself, a gentile by birth have been grafted in to the cultivated olive tree by the grace of our Lord and Saviour ,Jesus Christ. From Abraham up until the coming of the Promised One, God specifically made His purposes known through one nation , that being " Israel ". The New Covenant instituted with the precious blood of the Lamb of God is a continuation of the Old Covenant, that is, God has forever abolished the practices of the Old covenant and put away sin forever by the sacrifice of the " sinless Son of God ". The Old Covenant practices were just a foreshadow of the New Covenant that God promised to Abraham. God specifically up until Calvary dealt with one nation but from that time onward all nations and peoples have equal opportunity to respond to the "Gospel". Romans 11, the Apostle Paul ( a former believer in Judaism ) now declares to his native brethren that although they were chosen by God to fullfill the promise given to Abraham, and fullfilled in Jesus Christ, they now must come the same way as all nations , that is through our Lord Jesus Christ. I wish to state again, that the true " Israel of God " from Calvary onward is made up of all nations both Jews and gentiles and that Almighty God cares and looks at all nations equally. Romans 11: 26-28 has been fullfilled to the letter. The present day Israel is anti-christ and apostate according to the Word of God and is kept purely by " political " self interests of certain Nations. ROMANS 2:28-29 is the biblical definition of a True Jew, one who has faith in their heart not their physical place of birth or blood line. You proclaim that " Jesus Christ is Lord " therefore I sincerly welcome you and Allan to this thread and please know for certain that these responses are not against you personally but against the lies and perversions of the " evil one". Grace and peace be upon you and the true " Israel of God ". Robert



To: Alan Markoff who wrote (9756)12/7/1997 4:05:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker  Respond to of 39621
 
Oh, Nancy, how wonderful. This is truly an answer to prayer as I have pushed this discussion for a few week now, it seems, myself, and felt that we were drifting toward something necessary for us all and then it seemed like a ship reeling in the sea without a rudder and I was feeling guilty. Anyway, thank you, and your presence here is a lovely gift to us, I believe.

Again, it shows that we are all doing something right, and the Holy Spirit, who speaks both for the Father and the Son in all we do and They do, must not be too unhappy with our struggles here. And let's face it. It is all a struggle. Period. The only difference with the struggle we have in America with this is that it doesn't lead to horrifying death, like at other times in history. But then, times are changing, I keep reminding people, and that of course is another story.

But for now this issue must be settled, and yes, what Emile says is true, to my understanding and studies, and so please do not judge him too harsely for knowing things that are hard to bear, and might not be always handled as perfectly as God would have us handle such knowledge. In my life I have not done too well in that area, and have drawn conclusions that were not of the Lord many times about people places and things.

But, like Emile, I have found things in history that have left me literally stunned, and I remember once I was reading and just lost the ability to read and fell over sideways on the couch staring straight ahead holding the book. I still remember it because after a few moments I realized I looked like something in a comical horror movie and then the whole thing seemed humorous to me. But at that moment I can say that the reality of the "evil in high places" was so staggering with the implications of where we are drifting, and how history will all repeat itself again, that I was literally stunned physically and could not move.

Your experience has been the train wreck at the point of collision.
There is an ugliness to it that is almost hard to cope with, and I pray to God in Heaven that this will not be ignored and forgotten as a social mole hill, but analyzed as Christianity gone mad, which it is.

And considering "Messianic Jews" as something evil. I have to tell you, right now I'm a little stunned at that, but I trust Emile's walk with the Lord that he would not believe anything without some point of reference, so that has me with my jaw gaping, eyes bugged, and I know this is not confrontation without very good reason, so I just pray that everyone involved can hold on to the Lord in seeing where this is going.

Emile, I have been with a myriad of Christian brethren who were first Jewish and did not believe in Jesus. Personally, I am tired of the association with the English name Jesus, and all of the clap-trap of 2,000 years sorting it through the Romish Church and down now to the electronic evanglist's nightmare world of money making on a collossal and unheard of scale before this time, regardless of the evil and ungodliness in the lives of those involved, or how we cannot link ANYTHING in their lives to Christ, actually, except that they do read scripture in their presentations, and it is all getting out of control I think.

Alan is right, Nancy. You are more than right, and I love your teaching on this matter. Emile is telling the truth about the Kazar's, and I believe the Kazars are actually the Scythians, a branch of Japeth's family who were perhaps the most wretchedly evil of all humanity yet produced, and history says the "just disappeared". No, they simply intermarried somewhere and became something else. So that is of interest to me. Also, when the tribe of Benjamin was thrown out for great evil, they disappeared toward the Ural mountains of Russian--ACCORDING TO MY STUDIES ONLY. So, there is much of the mystery of what makes us what we are today buried in the DNA we all carry. I believe that is why there is such to the geneologies. There are footprints there and we just don't look at them as closely as we should.

But to say Isreal is absolutely gone and there is no tie to God is also something which is just so illogical I can't deal with that right now either. So, I am very grateful that God loves us all enough to let us come together here to work it out.

As for the Cain and Able jealousy. That absolutely, positively exists sill on earth in some way. That one disappeared into the Flood, but soon reappears identically with Jacob and Esau and the other split, just like it different names (?) can't think-- and that is definitely the Mid-East crisis. For sure. For me anyway, that's all I see in it.
Interesting view that it spills over into Judeo-Christianity.

I am rather amazed that Shalom was singing for a whole day before we really got into the nitty-gritty here and Alan showed up.

I think we were being prepared! Remember that singers always went before the Lord in ancient Isreal ........... :)

My best to you Nancy. I still would like the address of the little monsters who are awaiting trial, or more news on it if you feel like
telling me. Please do use my e.mail at any time.

Please keep this whole matter in prayer, as it is very, very important that it gets sorted out, and everyone involved gets a clear understanding of the truth of the matter.

(I will e.mail you some of this I took out)