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To: Greg or e who wrote (38928)	7/14/2013 8:15:55 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Show us one historian in Egypt or in Canada or in any part of the world in any place or time in history who thinks mythology is history? Fairy tales and Myth tales are NOT HISTORY, you DUMBKINS.

To: Greg or e who wrote (38928)	7/14/2013 2:06:53 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

We're talking about an entire source civilization of the human race, the emergence of the thinking homo sapien, based around the fertile Nile River and a culture that survives many trials of its own over 1000's of years. The Bible talks about one great flood but these human beings experienced 1000's of great yearly floods in a river basin flood cycle that often wreeked havoc & disaster. The world is seen as a composed natural order and everything in nature has a purpose which is an essential part of your Christian thinking, just how much do you think really was already experienced & recorded by these human beings from their long experience? ( remembering we're talking "homosapiens" latin for "wise man" we have fossil records & genetic sequencing showing relative classes of hominids in Africa going back 200yrs to 2mil yrs easily, and the ealrier branching off from primates to 5-8mil yrs) Those great Pyramids @ Giza were built 2500bc so try to unstick your brain from that gooey fly paper and think just how long ago building of such massive structures was ,the planning, skill & intelligence required? The great Aztec mesoamerican pyramids Mexico (more akin to the ziggurats of Mesopotamia) weren't to be built till 2000yrs later for a little perspective and we've gone well past the issue of Moses ever being there, dimmy. We have stores of the actual furniture of their houses: down-cushions, chairs, couches, and so on. We have the child's toys, the work- man's tools, the scribe's implements, the housewife's cooking utensils. We have, painted or carved, innumerable scenes from the festive or solemn or tragic experiences of the people; scenes of life in the palace and the cottage and the workshops. We have extraordinarily life-like statues of the people themselves, of almost every class of society. But nearly the whole of these treasures have come from tombs, and so led back to their belief in the after-life.

To: Greg or e who wrote (38928)	7/14/2013 2:26:46 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

Now lets consider just one set of Egyptian maxims & writings they date back to as far back to 2000bc, if they were building the great pyramids 4500yrs ago they had quite a culture going as far back as 4000-6000bc and before easily.This is one of the found writing collections ,work is entitled "The Maxims of Ptah-hetep" that is held in a British Museum. Lets see if we can find some common themes that would well predate little baby Moses in his reed basket on ethics, morals, natural order, good living, golden rule embodying similar human ideals: If a man wishes to live by terrifying others, God will take the bread from his mouth. ... It is the will of God that we cause men no fear. Justice is great, unchangeable, assured; it has not been disturbed since the age of Osiris [as a king]. The limits of justice are immovable. Be not puffed up on account of thy science; speak equally with the ignorant and the learned, for the barriers of art are not yet known. If thou art great after having been of little account, if thou art rich after having been poor, if thou art at the head of thy city, put on one side [the fact] that thou hast reached the first rank. Harden not thy heart because of thy elevation, for thou hast become the steward of God's property. Put not at the back of thy head him who was thy equal, but be a companion to him. Command only in order to direct: if thou art despotic, thou goest toward evil. Let thy thoughts be neither haughty nor base. Treat thy people as well as thou canst: it is the mark of those favored by God. Let the love thou feelest pass into the heart of those whom thou lovest: cause all men to be loving and obedient. Command only in order to direct: if thou art despotic, thou goest toward evil. Let thy thoughts be neither haughty nor baseTreat thy people as well as thou canst: it is the mark of those favored by God. Let the love thou feelest pass into the heart of those whom thou lovest: cause all men to be loving and obedient. The daily bread is under the dispensation of God ["Give us this day our daily bread"]. When thou plowest, labor in the field that God hath given thee. If thou wouldst be a perfect man, make thy son pleasing to God. Wisdom is more difficult to find than the emerald, for the emerald is found by slaves amongst pegmatite rocks. As to the vivacity of an ardent heart, moderate it; the temperate man penetrates obstacles. The man who is busy all day has not a good moment; and the man who enjoys himself all day will not keep his fortune. He lowered the shoulder of the proud; he shortened the hour of the cruel; he was the husband of the widow and the refuge of the orphan. Other inscriptions are: He was the father of the orphan, the husband of the widow, the eye of the blind, the foot of the lame. He gave bread to the hungry, drink to the thirsty, and clothed the naked. He was exempt from all vice, virtuous in all his thoughts; there was no guile in him.

To: Greg or e who wrote (38928)	7/14/2013 2:45:39 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

You think Ecclesiastes on the Old Testament has a moral lofty line & poetry to it? Try popular sentiments written 1500-2000yrs earlier by the Egyptians, are as great & greater given how earlier they were sung & written: The gods [kings] who were in past times rest in their pyramids. The noble also and the wise are buried in their pyramids. They that built houses, their place is no longer. Thou seest what is become of them. ... No one comes thence to tell us what is become of them. To tell us how it fares with them, to comfort our heart. Until thou approachest the place whither they are gone. Forget not to glorify thyself with joyful heart, And follow thy heart as long as thou livest. Lay myrrh upon thy head; clothe thyself in fine linen, Anointing thyself with the truly marvelous things of god. Adorn thyself; make thyself as fair as thou canst; And let thy heart sink not. Follow thy heart and thy joy. As long as thou livest upon earth: Trouble not thy heart until the day of mourning come upon thee. With joyous countenance keep a day of festival, and rest not in it; For no one takes his goods with him; Yea, no one returns that is gone hence.

To: Greg or e who wrote (38928)

7/14/2013 4:18:52 PM

From: 2MAR$

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Just a little added side note dimmy, neither Jews or Christians know where Moses is buried let alone the burial "tombs" of their greatest Kings David & Solomon. How could this be (one could ask) of the infallible Bible? That they haven't the foggiest notion where the greatest patriarchs were buried or even barest archaeological evidence for these so called great empires? What empire of Solomon, show us the these great monarch's uncovered ruins with links please. What City of David? (even what tomb of Jesus one could ask 1000yrs later)

Maybe we have a clue where the bible is really coming from, those silly obtuse confused Hebrew scribes in the 6th century BC desperate to have a history of their own were making it all up as they went? Borrowing from the Egyptian Kings history? Moses was supposed to be in Egypt, prehaps silly rabbit, this story of wise old Moses is in fact a story of the borrowed wisdom of Egyptian dynasties and was an Egyptian King the entire time?

let us look at some striking similarities :

And Solomon made a marriage alliance with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and took Pharaoh’s daughter, and brought her into the city of David. (1Ki 3:1)

Biblical Leaders	Historical Pharaohs

Ezron (Hezron)	Ramesses
Ram	Ramesses
Amminadab	Amen-Nesbanebdjed (Smendes)
Nahshon	Nemneshu (Amenemnishu)
Salmon	Siamun
Boaz	Bas-Uasorkon
Obed	Amenemopet
Jesse	Harsiese
David	Psusennes II meme