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To: Jerry Held who wrote (2665)7/15/2013 4:01:11 AM
From: LTK007Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2749
 
Weiter's Opinion:Loss Of Revere Huge Loss For Phils hopes this year..
Writer's conclusion, loss of Revere just too severe, Amaro ne forced to be a seller the next two weeks, trying to deal M.Young,Chase,Utley and Carlos Ruiz.,Aumont, Amaro whatever... Key point they have 6 prospects they must keep and build around for 2014. (Biddle/Hernandez/Ashe /Galvis(Galvis in minors now as he needs to play regularly to hit for average)/Ruf andMakiel Franco--Franco and Biddle their two top prospects, age 20 and age 21) to be key participants as being year 2014 . Amaro need think of Phils do 2014, is writer's view, now that Revere is hurt, and is irreplaceeable: he need build pieces for 2014 phillies--meaning getting more young talent for M.Young/Utley and Ruiz.. Writer indicates that if Revere had NOT been hurt, Phils would have NOT been sellers.(Revere is out for at LEAST 6-weeks) And he sees Howard out for rest of season---thus team as no chance to make a run this end season.

philly.com
<<THIS TIME, Ben Revere won't lobby his way back into the lineup. That will finally spell the Phillies' demise. Revere missed 2 1/2 weeks when a 95-mph fastball broke his face in 2010. A top prospect for Minnesota, his season was supposed to be over. Still, he managed to convince the Twins' organization to let him return, his fractured orbital bone shielded by a specially configured helmet. That return helped convince the Twins that Revere, a 5-9, 170-pound speed demon, was major league tough. They even promoted him that September.

Revere fouled a ball off his right ankle Saturday evening, fracturing the medial malleolus. Tough? Oh yes: He stayed in the game and nearly beat out a doubleplay ball. Toughness has nothing to do with him returning. Not this time. He will see Dr. Steven M. Raikin at the Rothman Institute today, and the news likely will mean Revere will be out for 2 months. This will be as crucial a 2-month span for the franchise as any in recent history. By the time Revere gets out of his cast, the team could look vastly different. There might be no Michael Young. No Chase Utley. No Carlos Ruiz, if anyone will take him. In Revere, the Phillies lose one of their two consistently above-average defenders and base-stealing threats; the other is Jimmy Rollins. In Revere, the Phillies lose their hottest hitter since April ended, ticking along nicely at .347 with 17 steals and 28 runs scored. He was at .431 over his past 15 games. In Revere, the Phillies lose a centerfielder familiar with the swirling winds at Citizens Bank Park, an underrated quality in an asymmetric oddity like the Bank, on a team with twin flyball aces - a mystery John Mayberry Jr. might never solve. Mayberry's home run Saturday night forced extra innings and led to a win, and his single in the 10th yesterday drove in the winning run. He is hitting .249 in 83 games with seven home runs and 23 RBI, numbers typical of his 386 games in the majors. "John's a good centerfielder. He's not a 'plus' centerfielder," said general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. Amaro is not envisioning a veteran sell-off just yet: "We're looking for a centerfielder who will keep us going. We're trying to add. It's hard to add and subtract at the same time." That is understood. Amaro believes he still has to try to win. But this was the foul ball that broke the Phillies' back. "We just have to regroup and go from there," Rollins said. In Revere, they subtract an awful lot in a small package. They subtract too much to survive. The Phillies already were staggered by the absence of slugger Ryan Howard, whose knee probably will cost him the rest of the season, and the absence of horse Roy Halladay, whose shoulder might alter the rest of his career. Howard played hurt and Halladay pitched hurt, and those were big reasons why the Phillies limped into the break at .500. Amaro is convinced that the Phillies, who have won nine of 13 games, can catch the Braves, 6 1/2 games ahead of them in the NL East. If that fails, Amaro believes the Phillies can leapfrog the four teams that, at game's end, stood between them and the final wild-card slot, which looms 5 1/2 games above them. Now, Amaro is faced with the task of finding a decent defensive centerfielder in addition to the desperate task of locating a reliable bullpen arm, or two. Amaro clearly is averse to dealing the team's future, lately embodied by third baseman Cody Asche, pitcher Jesse Biddle, third baseman Maikel Franco and second baseman Cesar Hernandez. "We can't afford to move guys who we think are close, who will be helping us here shortly," Amaro said. So, who do they move? Phillipe Aumont? Tyler Cloyd? Does either have the value of an old Phanatic costume? "I'm the GM," Amaro said. "I'm supposed to be able to do this stuff." The Phillies think so highly of Hernandez that they recently moved him to centerfield to improve his chances of promotion and better utilize his speed. In fact, Hernandez will not attend the Triple A All-Star Game on Wednesday. He instead will be sent to Double A Reading so he can continue to play centerfield, then will return to Lehigh Valley when the IronPigs resume play. "We're giving him extensive work [in centerfield] through the break, and he'll play exclusively in centerfield to see if that's an option for us," Amaro said, then allowed, "He struggled [Saturday] in centerfield." Amaro knows that the aforementioned quartet could wind up in the majors next season; indeed, if things fall right, there might be a spot on the Phillies' roster on Opening Day for each of them. Given the Phillies' AARP infield this season, that is the sort of young foundation Amaro cannot discard in order to rent a subpar centerfielder for a subpar $170 million roster. Of course, it is a $170 million roster. Players don't bank that kind of cheddar without pedigree. Domonic Brown was untouchable for years. He and Cliff Lee are All-Stars for good reason. Brown can carry a club for weeks. Lee can stop a losing streak with 2 hours of magic. Cole Hamels can turn his 2-11 start into an 11-2 finish. He's 2-0 already, and should have had a third win yesterday. Historically, Utley has been a monster in July, and his double led to the game-winner in the 10th inning yesterday. Maybe he can carry the Phillies the rest of this month. Rollins is the Phillies' Mr. September, hitting .289, almost 20 points better than his career average. Ruiz, a catcher, is a borderline Hall of Famer in the Augusts and Septembers of his career (.291). Darin Ruf might be the real thing. The problem is, almost all of those players would have to produce if the Phillies are make a run to the playoffs. All of those things would have to happen for them to make a run deep into the playoffs. All of those things will not happen. Revere does not want to hear that, of course. "Hopefully, when I get back, we'll be in this playoff race," said Revere, who acknowledged that the team needs its injured ace, its slugger and its spark plug. "If we come back fully healthy, we'll be a 10 times better team than we are right now. "With those guys healthy, we're serious World Series contenders." Those guys are not healthy, and neither is Revere, as tough as he is. So, in 2 weeks or so, the would-be "serious contenders" should be serious sellers.



To: Jerry Held who wrote (2665)10/5/2013 12:43:33 PM
From: LTK007Respond to of 2749
 
Phillies 2013 awards and a brief look ahead

Now that the Phillies' offseason is in full swing and the plans for what likely will be a very active winter are being forged, here are a few of the standouts from the 2013 season as well as what we're most looking forward to seeing develop in 2014.

John Finger

MVP: Cliff Lee
Cy Young: Cliff Lee
Rookie: Darin Ruf
Most improved: Dom Brown
Get him outta here: Jonathan Papelbon (barely edging John Mayberry)

Next season
The most interesting aspect of the 2014 season will be learning what a complete rehab/healing will do for Ryan Howard and Roy Halladay. Obviously, Halladay may not return in ’14. But no matter where he turns up, a winter of rest and strength building will be incredibly important for Halladay. Otherwise, it will be interesting to watch Ryne Sandberg have command of the team from Day 1. Spring training is bound to be a little more intense than it has been in the past.



Mike Wisniewski

MVP: Chase Utley
Cy Young: Cliff Lee
Rookie: Jake Diekman
Most Improved: Domonic Brown
Get him outta here: (Must I only pick one?) Jimmy Rollins

Next season
Looking forward to see if Ruben can get creative and acquire that much-needed right-handed bat the Phils so badly need. It would have to come via trade, since all the top free agents will be lefties. If not, then the Phillies have to get Maikel Franco up to the majors fast to find out if he's for real. If so, they'll have to figure out a way to get both him and Cody Asche in the lineup and on the field every day. I'd hate to see them trade either one of those guys away, when they're so short on young talent as it is. How many years are left on that Ryan Howard contract ... three and an option? Franco is still just 21, so his future with the Phils could be there. That, and on the pitching side, waiting to finally see this mysterious Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez.



Corey Seidman

MVP: Chase Utley
Cy: Cliff Lee
Rookie: Darin Ruf
Get-Him-Out: John Mayberry Jr.

Next season
Most looking forward to a new and improved lineup, with a new rightfielder (Stanton or Bautista, anyone?) solidifying a shaky, power-sapped middle of the order. Also intrigued by Ryne Sandberg's outside-the-box thinking when it comes to lineup structure.

Max Comment: If we get Stanton or Bautista Brown goes to left, and Ruf becomes utility player for RF LF FirstBase, in place of the MUST GO Mayberry.. Plus we want Revere to pick up where left off---he was vital player at time he broke his foot on foul ball? one can ook it up. Our complte collapse started right after Revere broke his foot---but we have problem of Hernandez and Galvis;Rollins i BLOCKING him; He can hit as well as Rollins now and fielding as SS at Lehigh left people GASPING at the plays he made:i would let Rolins go, and go with Glavis/and predict a 250 hitter(for starter) the would be one the finest fielding ShortStops in MLB history.He would become a fixture like Larry Bowa, but with i think more power/ SS has ALWAYS been Galvis position, he is the prototype for SS) Hernandez need be play everyday at 2nd base with Pigs, he is what, just 22---he, at time, seems the only replacement for Utley.

We need Biddle givena long look in Spring training. Cloyd we need waive or release.

FreeAgency PRIORITIES pay the bucks to get Stanton and , if they are there, and at least two Relief pitchers and release Papelbon(It is no secret he is POISON in the Clubhouse:Big Poison) Hope Adams recovers. And hope Bastardo can pitch without STEROIDS!

Also, if we don't open up SS for Galvis we will have to deal him. We can't hold him back any longer because of Rollins.

Jordan Hall

MVP: Cliff Lee
Cy Young: Cliff Lee
Rookie of the Year: Cody Asche
Most improved: Domonic Brown
Get-him-out: John Mayberry Jr.

Next season
I must be honest. I’m most looking forward to seeing the return of Ryan Howard. The Big Piece has been harshly scrutinized for his contract and decline the past two seasons, and I’m interested to see how he responds in 2014. I think Howard has a chip on his shoulder with something to prove.(Max:i hope so: a Big Chip at that) Whether he does or not is the question.