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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9768)	12/7/1997 4:11:00 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

MEANING OF ZIONISM Zionism denies that a Jew is a Jew by virtue of the Torah and that G'd gave us the Holy Land and sent us into exile because of our sins. Zionism says that Jews are a nation like any other nation and the reason they were exiled was because of a weak army. Even if the Zionists advocated religious observance, it would still be an atheist state because our belief is that G'd alone without human effort or intervention will redeem us from exile. At that time, there will be universal peace. This will be after the coming of Moshiach and the prophet Eliyu'. We have been foresworn by G'd not to use human force to bring about the establishment of a state, not to rebel against the nations, not to leave exile ahead of time. (Talmud Tractate Ksubos III). more later.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9768)	12/9/1997 12:55:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Len, I remember Spinoza from European Thought and Culture 101, something. He was immediately recognizable as saint like. Later I found he was. Scratch further and I believe we will find a Christ-follower, or at least believer. Did you see that? I was too pagan to look in those days. Just your run of the mill Episco-pagan. There is such a thing, you know. Hard to believe. This little interesting gem you dropped is vital to our discussions. Please, please do furnish more.