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To: Alighieri who wrote (727510)	7/18/2013 8:13:14 PM
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>> Bullshit...the cheapest and best health care systems in the world are in Europe, and nearly all of them are single payer GOVERNMENT run. This is not correct. Those are NOT the "cheapest and best". The US health care system, prior to Obamacare, was without question the best health care system in the world. There is not even a legitimate debate to be had -- more than half of all innovations in the entire world came from here, we had better treatment for chronic and critical illness than any other country. I just don't know how anyone can even try to make that argument. Our cost problems derive from three places: a) Government price controls of about half of our health care economy; b) Better health care obviously cost more than lousy health care; and c) Government's institution of wage controls in the 40s, accompanied by tax breaks for corporations who pay for employee health care has left us with a system in which there is no incentive to control health care costs. The rest of it is just noise. >> There is nothing in the NY or California reports that is misleading. They have both been debunked. In CA, the claims of reduced cost turned out to be not reduced at all. And in NY, there are several problems, well-addressed in today's Forbes article. >> Given the same environment Obama care delivers much lower premiums for these people. The NY environment was not created by obamacare. I don't know how you can even say that. The initial premium cost in any plan means nothing, we don't know what is and is not covered, and the number of people involved is not even significant. I would urge you to read the Avik Roy's analysis today, though. He's much more familiar with the situation on those plans than you or me. The president and his disciples will be reporting the good news and leaving out the bad news from now on. But there is one hell of a lot of bad news. The devastating effect on the economic is tragic for the poor, but the destruction of the best health care system in the world -- the one the entire world relies on for innovation, is just terrible as well.