To: Wharf Rat who wrote (41674 ) 7/31/2013 5:04:54 PM From: Bilow Respond to of 86355 Hi Rat; You're now having to argue with the journalists who once were your buddies. This is your side losing ground. You're experiencing what it's like to lose. Stuff starts with the peer reviewed literature. It takes some time to filter through to the last of the politicians and the public. People who care more about the subject than you do are aware of what is going on. For example, "including unprecedented heatwaves and droughts " is nonsense. As the world gets warmer, it gets wetter. This is because most of the planet's surface is covered with oceans. Warmer air means that more water evaporates from the oceans. This water eventually falls as rain. This is why the Sahara was once grassland. At that time the planet was a few degrees C warmer than it is now. More heat more rain and less desert. If you bother to read the peer reviewed literature, you'll find that the drought last year was determined to be "weather" and not "climate" and, in particular, was unrelated to global warming. In fact, the IPCC says that global warming will reduce the frequency of droughts in the US. This is rather simple science. This is not some right-wing fantasy. Here, read the statement direct from the IPCC website this past year:Our Special Report on Managing the Risks of Extreme Events and Disasters to Advance Climate Change Adaptation has been acknowledged worldwide. It has found on the basis of evidence from observations gathered since 1950 of change in some extremes, that it is very likely there has been an overall decrease in the number of cold days and nights, and an overall increase in the number of warm days and nights, at the global scale, that is, for most land areas with sufficient data. There is medium confidence of a warming trend in daily temperature extremes in much of Asia. It is likely that there have been statistically significant increases in the number of heavy precipitation events (e.g., 95th percentile) in more regions than there have been statistically significant decreases, but there are strong regional and subregional variations in the trends. There is medium confidence that since the 1950s some regions of the world have experienced a trend to more intense and longer droughts, in particular in southern Europe and West Africa, but in some regions droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter, for example, in central North America and northwestern Australia. ipcc.ch Let's go over how you're losing this conflict: 1) Scientists do research 2) They publish it in peer reviewed journals ... n) The public becomes aware of research results. Right now the movement is mostly in step (2). As the science advances, the exaggerated fears are being trimmed away and this is showing up in the results of the IPCC. So now I'm quoting IPCC to you to show that some of your fears are unwarranted but you can find plenty of scary stuff in their 4th report. The 5th report comes out early next year and will have considerably less scary stuff in it. But you won't see a big change until the 6th report. Global warming alarmism is melting slowly but it's a heck of a lot faster than the glaciers, LOL. -- Carl