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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (41775)8/4/2013 1:44:39 AM
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Hi Thomas; Re your bad physics...

true) heat travels from warm to cold.
true) Space is cold.
true) Earth is hundreds of degrees hotter.
true) PV=nRT.

false) more CO2 means dry air is denser.

The amount of CO2 in the air is so infinitesimal that there is no practical difference in density. Density of air is dominated by its temperature. Water content also contributes. Weight of CO2 is negligible.

For sea level at 0C, air is about 1.2922 kg/m^3. At 35C it gets down to 1.1455. This difference (roughly between freezing and a hot day in Phoenix) amounts to about 13% or 130,000 parts per million. Compare this to the amount of CO2 in the air which is around 400 parts per million.

true) So moist air has more lift [then] the denser the dry air. It travels faster and higher.

CO2 has nothing to do with moisture. Moist air is less dense than non moist air because water molecules are lighter than the average air molecule.

Using H=1, O=16, N=14, C=12, the weights of the molecules are:

H2O -> 18
N2 -> 28
O2 -> 32
CO2 -> 44

where N2 and O2 are the primary ingredients of air. Along this line, hydrogen and helium are:

H2 -> 2
He -> 4

so these gasses are used to fill lighter than air balloons.

true) T=PV/nR as air rises and pressure drops there is adiabatic cooling. Just like CO2 freezes to dry ice when released from a fire extinguisher. I know the concept is just too simple for you to comprehend.

But the discussion has been cut loose from CO2 and global warming.

--Carl



To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (41775)8/4/2013 3:53:05 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86355
 
Yeah, I think I've heard about the gas laws. If I have, prolly the IPCC has, too.

Here's why the troposphere ucar.edu is getting taller.

Charles' Law:
As absolute temperature increases,
volume of the gas also increases in proportion.
anatomyandphysiologynotes.com