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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (9794)	12/8/1997 11:35:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"God in Heaven until anyone born into a Jewish family originally almost totally denounces their birth parents and take a new name." Jane, you are misunderstanding and misrepresenting my words. I never said or implied any such statement as the above. The Jewish people and Talmudic Judaism are not synonomous terms. The Babylonian Talmud is a written set of precepts, traditions and interpretation of traditions that forms the foundation of modern Judaism. There are many people who have Jewish backgrounds but reject modern Talmudic Judaism. We are all socialize into some kind of religous or cultural reality. When a Jewish child is born, he is free from any social reality or link with Talmudic Judaism. When a Christian child is born, he is also free from all religous and cultural realities. It is by training or socializing that the cultural coat of paint is imposed upon children. There is a dimension of religion that is purely social and cultural. Before the Christian child internalizes his faith in Christ, he is often taught all the fundamental biblical doctrines of his faith. When the child finally internalizes these Christian doctrines--when he believes them in his heart--, his Christianity becomes more than an imposed social or cultural reality, it becomes the fundamental essence of what he is. He becomes a Born Again child of God. In the same way, a Jewish child may be enculturated and socialized with the Talmudic principles and precepts. Many of these Jewish children later reject or fail to internalize these Talmudic principles. These Jewish people are neither antichirst or prochrist. They simply do not make an internal commitment and the modern Talmudic teachings becomes an incomprehensible and vague part of their heritage. Those who do internalize the antichrist principles of the Talmud, however, become a conscious and real part of the darkness of antichirst Talmudic Judaism. Talmudic Judaism is a religion of death because it denies Jesus as the Son of God and actively teaches against Christ. There is a clear distinciton between the Jewish people and the culture and religion of Talmudic Judaism. Many Jews totally reject Talmudic Judaism but still call themselves Jews. A Jewish person who accepts Christ does not have to deny his/her biological roots, but they must deny the antichrist dimension of Talmudic Judaism. When the pagan Celts accpeted Christ, they rejected their pagan antchirst culture and religion joined the religion and culture of Christ. When the Romans accepted Christ, they rejected their pagan antichirst culture and religion and joined the religion and culture of Christ. When the Greeks accepted Christ, they rejected their pagan antichrist culture and religion and joined the religion and culture of Christ. When the Franks accepted Christ, they rejected their pagan antichirst culture and religin and joined the culture and religion of Christ. The same for the ancient Russians, Germans, Syrians, Cappodocians, Egyptians, etc. etc. etc. Why shouldn't the modern Jews who come from a 2000 year culture and religion of Talmudic Judaism reject their antichrist culture and religion and join the religion and culture of Christ. Anyone who does not encourage them to do so does not really understand the New Covenant or the Kingdom of God established upon the Blood of Christ. In fact, you are encouraging them to keep one foot in Christ and one foot in antichirst. The culture and religion of Christianity, when internalized and truly belived, leads a person to forgiveness of sins and eternal life through faith in Christ. The culture of Talmudic Judaism, when internalized and truly believed, leads a person into utter darkness and eternal damnation through rejection of faith in Jesus Christ. This is the reality that the Holy Spirit has given us in the New Covenant. All Christians are to love all men regarless of their religous or cultural backgrounds. Our love for all men is based upon the reality that Christ loved and died for all men while they were yet sinners. We are to love both those who accept Christ and those who reject Christ, and that includes those who accepts the dark lies of Talmudic Judaism.

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (9794)	12/8/1997 4:48:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

I am totally jealous that you have snow. We live in Texas were snow is rare and melts before you can make a tiny snowball.I have to share a story about the New Age movement. My exneighbors brother in-law and sister taught seminars with Shirley McClain all over the country, When I first talked to her I didn't know if she was crazy or if I was. She was wiping negative spirits from my Jewish spirit (from that bloody God as she put it)and lighting candles in her window and her 2 boys would come over and tell my sons to worship them. You have no idea how much I would value a little house on the prairie life for a while. Anyway I loved her and prayed for her for 5 years I heard all this ridiculous and outright scary theology. Then one night she asked me why Jesus had to die? (I am trying not to cry as I finish this) and told me while some of us were praying for her at a bible study she looked up at the sky and suddenly knew that Jesus and God were for real and all this other stuff was a lie. PRAISE JESUS for His mercy! She started coming to Church with me and let me tell you there was some wierd warfare going on. Everyone in the Church could hear loud breaking glass were there was no glass etc... I hope this does not sound to strange but it is the truth I am not what you call overly Charismatic even some of that scares me. Everyone who accepts the New Covenant, Jesus as their Messiah is forced to be under Jewish Believers teaching. Paul(Shaul), Peter(Kefa), Matthew(Levi) Yohanon(John), like it or not thats how God chose to send this message. And those that hate the Jews today are possibly hating the offspring of these men as well. Some way to thank them for their suffering to bring this vital truth to the world. Talmudic Judaism is the only part of Judaism that is not based on the scriptures also Midrash are collections of writings from Rabbis. It would not be a whole lot better for Robert and Emile to spend their energy praying for these people and going to them to love them and witness to them after all the great commission First to Jerusalem and Judea then the furthest points of the earth. From my observation the Church wants to go the furthest points of the earth rather than Jerusalem.All kinds of elaborate doctrines are devised to assist this avoidance but remember we will all stand before a JEWISH MESSIAH when He returns. Never will I imply that salvation is an issue that is established but there is some type of award system mentioned several times in scripture.Matthew 5:17-19 Jesus is speaking." Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets(Old Testament)I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commandments will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. See there seems to be some type of award system that will last a very long time. Also, in 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is God breathed and is usefull for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. The only scriptures available at that time were the Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament so you have it. Why would Paul encourage all of us to use these scriptures if it were dead. The Mosaic Law and the sacrifical system has been finished but the Old Testament has many books of prophecy about the last days so it is not totally completed and is not finished at this time. The prophetic scriptures in the Old Testament tell all about the Lords coming death and future return.It amazes me that I feel often that I am defending the word of God to people who are following Him. The bottom line is to know Him in a personal relationship. Hope you had a blessed day, Nancy