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To: tejek who wrote (135920)	8/19/2013 9:43:19 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 149317

Of course, some kids can turn their lives around in one generation but its a fool's mission to believe that you can turn every child around in one generation. Again, we are dealing with people; not widgets. I think I can stop here. I had response to the above, but it is starting to become a circular debate IMHO. I think I can sum up on what we agree on and what we don't. 1. We both want a welfare system that produces people who can graduate from it (especially children) and function in both our society and economy. 2. My working hypothesis is that the current system can't do this and needs to be overhauled, and in order to do this we need data on which to base our changes--if change is needed at all (that depends on what the data shows). 3. Your working hypothesis.(IMHO of course--feel free to correct any thing that isn't accurate) is that the present system at least keeps people alive and any attempt at overhaul it will ran afoul of devious right wing politicians which will result in welfare people being penalized. 4. Additionally, I believe, based on the demographics of the population which contains a larger number of seniors who will be claiming entitlement benefits, that an overhaul of the entire entitlement system will be forthcoming in Washington due to the inability to fund all of the benefit programs completely. "Welfare Reform II" will be part of this mix. Therefore, Welfare recipients and supporters need to be prepared with arguments that they can "sell" to the population at large as they fight to preserve their benefits. The way to do this is have a plan that ostensibly produces people who can graduate from the system. 5. I think you believe, but am not sure, that #4 isn't an imperative and offers more danger to the system than hope. 6. You think that welfare recipients/supporters have a lot more time to work on changing the system for the better than I do. I think time is running out for them and that is why they need to be proactive. 7. I believe that after and honest attempt is given to make the system work toward the goal stated, graduating people off of it, if the data reveals we are unable to do this, than we should shut the system down going forward. This will at least encourage people to have jobs and a partner before having kids. 8. You believe that #7 is unnecessary and cruel in the sense that many children will still be born without the means to support them and therefore welfare still needs to continue even if we haven't been able to attain the agreed upon goal. Alright, please feel free to disagree and make any changes if I've misrepresented your viewpoint anywhere. BUTW