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To: Robohogs who wrote (180240)	8/26/2013 1:28:18 PM
From: Dennis Roth	Respond to of 206326

I read the comments. For what it's worth, in the North Sea, an area where there has been at lot of seismic mapping and oil and gas exploration and exploitation over the years, whales and dolphins are on the increase. Dolphins on the increase. dolphincareuk.org A recent study recorded sightings of six different species in an area stretching from North Northumberland to Whitby North Yorkshire and beyond down to the Humber. The species recorded were Harbour Porpoise, Common Dolphin, Bottlenose Dolphin, Risso's Dolphin, Long-finned pilot whales and White-Beaked Dolphin. Rising water temperature and the abundance of food, such as herring and mackerel, now available are thought to be among the factors responsible for the increased numbers of whales and dolphins being reported from some parts of the North Sea... ...A local fisherman says the presence of Risso's dolphins in the North Sea could also be because of an increase in the numbers of squid, which are an important food source for Risso's, as well as for White-beaked and common dolphins and the Long-finned pilot whale... ==== I don't think the remark by the dolphin expert was well thought out or supported by evidence. She probably regrets making it.

To: Robohogs who wrote (180240)	8/26/2013 4:30:44 PM
From: tom pope	Respond to of 206326

Hell,it got a unanimous 4 "likes".

To: Robohogs who wrote (180240)	8/28/2013 4:34:02 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	5 Recommendations Recommended By Bearcatbob Brian Sullivan Bruce L Salt'n'Peppa xxreno Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206326

<dolphins are in danger – from fracking> I read the article and comments. My comments: 1. None of the dangers are quantified. It's the same as saying, "Fukushima radiation reaches California," a true but trivial fact, because the radiation dosage is less than you'll get by taking an airplane. How close and how loud (in hard reproducible numbers) harms dolphins? No relevant facts presented. 2. <sound travels five times faster underwater than through the air> is a true but irrelevant fact. Intensity, degradation rate in water, and duration might matter, but not speed. The author, like most journalists, probably stopped taking science classes after the 8th Grade, so he or she is illiterate about the basic concepts of physics, chemistry, geology, biology, etc. 3. <they (dolphins) home in on pregnant women because, apparently, their echo-location can sense that there is something moving within the woman’s body.> This is an: Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed... en.wikipedia.org 4. I'll take this seriously, if you can find one (just one) article in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which quantifies the risk to dolphins from underwater fracking, in the North Sea or any body of water. Otherwise, I'll just keep pointing out the logical fallacies. 5. <the kindest thing humans can do is kill off 95% of their own population> I've deleted several responses to that....speaks for itself... Disclosure: I'm an environmentalist who believes in the Gaia Hypothesis. en.wikipedia.org I've been arrested, years ago, protesting for environmental causes. But articles like that just make scientifically literate people laugh at environmentalists.