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To: koan who wrote (230356)	8/30/2013 10:01:43 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542158

One of the more serious methodological problems with Pat Moynihan's assertions was the same as with this poster. Just put up ethnic differences and generalize them like crazy. It's also important to point out that Moynihan was a long time member of a group of social scientists whose ideological bent was in this direction as well. To say his assertions were controversial is to be a bit kind.

To: koan who wrote (230356)	8/30/2013 12:04:59 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542158

"Moynihan's assertions were widely, seriously, and, in my view, soundly disputed in a very large literature in the 60s." I had direct experience with the welfare of the late sixties, as I worked under contract doing maintenance for the Austin Housing Authority, which was the local agency in charge of public housing, including housing projects and section 8 housing. I painted and repaired project housing, some of which had two generations of welfare recipients living in them, free. I got to overhear a welfare mom teaching her pregnant welfare daughter (who already had 2 kids), not how to get a job or the work ethic, but how to get free housing, get food stamps, get free health care and get a check from the government for each child they produced. How to milk the system. So, at least at that time, I have personal experience that KryosL's position has some validity.