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Microcap & Penny Stocks : Rocky Mountain Int'l (OTC:RMIL former OTC:OVIS) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mike Morgan who wrote (24948)	12/8/1997 4:14:00 PM
From: Ellen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Shareholder just lost 75% of their value. Look, you can take your NPEC junk to the NPEC thread. Thank you.

To: Mike Morgan who wrote (24948)	12/8/1997 4:17:00 PM
From: Ellen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

From: Larry S. Tuesday, Oct 14 1997 10:00AM EST Reply #5238 of 5249 TLW, I am just a lurker, buyer, and holder of what was OVIS, now RMIL. I must say your arguments are impressive and well bespeaks of your years of experience in the market. I in comparison have only been investing a few years and only within the last year in BB issues. Therefore, I can't speak to historical trends and patterns gleaned from the tea leaves of the market from past times and events. But have you considered that what we are witnessing here is a new paradigm in investing??? The internet is a tool that is more powerful that anyone imagines - simply because of the tremendous communication that it facilitates. I would venture to say that it tends to break the bounds of "old school" thought relative to what makes an investment make sense. I believe RG has found the achilles heel of the MM game and they know it (why else the ever increasing and sophisticated attacks). In days past they had complete dominance over the small investor because they were the ones with the information and therefore the control. The internet has changed that. One must factor this in and take it into account in ones assessments from now on. What has happened is the Cartel has become the backbone and the lightning rod for overcoming years of abuse perpetrated by the "smart money" "insiders", "market makers" "insert your favorite name" which have historically taken advantage of the key snipets of information that makes the difference success or failure in the market. This new paradigm scares the h*ll out of the powers controlling the market so its no wonder why all the dirty tricks. My God, it means changing the basis for market control. It may even (heaven forbid) even (as Mr. Hicks puts it) level the playing field - what a powerful thought. Yes everyone that understood how things were must learn a new game - absolutely frightning. Why TL, it must even scare you as you have, and I would think, uncharacteristically judging from your previous posts, lead you into the name calling game (calling RG the pigeon, as in stool pigeon). Yes, and you are right someone, rather several people, imho, will find themselves on the wrong side of the law. But then given the risk, shorters and longs alike, its worth it. I happen to believe its the shorters that will find themselves succuming to the long arm of the law. But if you think about it (please analyze) how much money do they really stand to lose? Many have gone to jail for less. So, I'm sorry, I had to break radio silence and weigh in. In sum, TL I believe you must temper your experience with an understanding of this new paradigm. Don't dismiss it, or let it frighten you into discounting it. What you have here is people and not just those in the Cartel, initially just wanting to make money, but now willing to lose their entire investment to elevate and get a resolution the issue of shorting and abuse of the small investor. I for one am proud to be in their ranks. People! RG has it right in my humble opinion. We are part of something historic. Lets fight the good fight!!! Larry S.

To: Mike Morgan who wrote (24948)	12/8/1997 4:18:00 PM
From: Ellen	Respond to of 55532

From: Riley G Sep 19 1997 9:41AM EST Reply #8058 of 12470 Fwd message from AOL: ------------------------------------- Date: 97-09-19 01:06:37 EDT You said: "No short seller can establish a profit on the short side without covering via a purchase. The only exception to this of course is if the shorted stock's company goes belly up. " BINGO!!! What do you think the shorts were betting on last year? After all, the company was losiing tons of money....the old CEO quit and stole a a cargo ship.......stole all the company's documention and accounting books...etc. IF THE MM OR OFFSHORE SHORTING GROUP DID NOT BET ON TOTAL COMPANY FAILURE THEY WOULD BE IDIOTS!!! Then when new management took over, since their naked short position was so immense, they decided to illegally short the stock. in order to prevent new management from turning the company around. Such was the case in January after the 1 for 30 reverse. Immediately after the split they shorted the hell out of the stock so that management had no opportunities to turn itself around through a Nasdaq or AMEX listing and higher price stability. Even when management announced that 9 month EPS was 8.5c back in May, the shorters allowed the stock to go above $.50 before the naked short campaign resumed from late May to early August as the stock went from $.60 to .16 during that period of time. COME ON!!! $.16 /share for a stock that had trailing 9 month EPS of $.085!!! Thats absurd!!! Come on TL the evidence is blinding you!! Especially after this past weakend's tactics of puting out that STRANGE bogus news release. Come on if after all this, you still think that there is no HUGE naked short position out there then you have lost my respect. Its obvious and staring you in the face TL! ---------- RG

To: Mike Morgan who wrote (24948)	12/8/1997 4:20:00 PM
From: Ellen	Respond to of 55532

From: Riley G Oct 2 1997 10:05AM EST Reply #76 of 4435 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:50:35 -0500 Subject: naysayers Riley, There is an excellent article in the October issue of Forbes/ASAP on about page 104 regarding the use of the internet by shorters to drive down stock prices. The articly describes in eerie fashion a parallel of events happening in OVIS. Apparently, what is happening at OVIS is standard procedure for shorters/naysayers. The naysayers do what they do because it works. My reading of the article indicates that the best course of action is for vigilant and informed people (ovis shareholders who have done the dd and reseach to continuously respond to slander with factual information, while avoiding getting dragged into fights, arguments and speculation. This will help new investors see what is going on, who is credible and who isn't. Many humor the naysayers, or think they are just grouchy, amusing themselves, jealous. NO. People do things for reasons. It is a fact of life. The people bashing your stock are bashing it so that you will lose money and they will make money. Even if I am wrong about the naysayers being in cahoots with MMs, it still works out that since psychological factors affect stock prices, these people are hurting you by plying misinformation. My all time favorite post was the one implying that hand and hand are in cahoots with ovis, and that the fake news was all part of a grand conspiracy to make it look like ovis was under attack even though they secretly aren't. - Using this logic, my new theory is that Kugler, Aloha, McNeese et al. are actually long in OVIS, and post negatively, knowing that the effect of their bad mouthing OVIS will have a reverse psychological effect and drive up the price so they can cash out rich with their expensive OVIS. makes sense, right? It is not libel to post a reasoned opinion (an opinion that actually has some kind of conclusion based on fact) - my concluded opinion is that naysayers logically must have some interest in making OVIS look bad. This leads me to conclude that they are deceptive manipulators (read "liars"). Just my opinion. ----- Riley G

To: Mike Morgan who wrote (24948)	12/8/1997 4:21:00 PM
From: Ellen	Respond to of 55532

"Subject: Reasons Riley, feel free to post, not post, edit, change, etc. this message. As you are comm central and well informed, I have confidence in your decisions regarding relaying my sometimes too lengthy E-mails. Preponderance of evidence that OVIS will fly: 1. Massive naked short position. Simple arithmetic looking at past volume confirms this. Some people who count volume haven't even taken into account the die hard buy and holders from pre-split days (I am one of these and there are quite a few others). 2. Cartel rough figure estimates based on sharing of information by shareholders far outnumber the authorized float - so much so that even a massive degree of inaccuracy on the part of the cartel still outnumbers the authorized float. Early Cartel rough estimates which were low and didn't include non SI/Cartel supporters, don't even include the million or so shares bought and called for since last Fridays "call your cert message"! 3. More people are buying and calling certs every day. 4. Shares outstanding are confirmed by transfer agent. 5. Wildcard shares are locked up in treasury account and pension plan. 6. The company supports the investors and promises not to distribute more shares. 7. The market makers have requested more shares from the company who firmly replied "No way!". These are desperate actions that reveal much about the mms situation. It doesn't take a sherlock to see mm desperation in this request for more shares. 8. The market makers have manipulated the price drastically since profound interest in the stock and certificate calling have begun. If the market makers were doing fine as some have implied, they would not be dropping the ask on buys, passing over market orders to sweep up cheap shares, selling below ask limits to confound investors, etc. We have seen the price drop on buy/sell ratios of greater than 10 to 1. That is called unethical market manipulation, and if you are a mm, you don't risk doing it unless you are in incredible trouble. Here is a simple rule: MARKET MANIPULATION ON GROWING STOCKS = MARKET MAKERS IN TROUBLE 9. The preponderance of naysayers actually confirm the validity of the cartels position. We are forced to wonder, if the OVIS shareholders are such dupes, and we are going to loose so much money (save me please) why then the constant attacks by non-shareholders and people who haven't ever been heard from before. Why the new faces with misinformation? This had occurred to the degree of cartel members receiving threats. People don't threaten you just for being stupid. Once again, it doesn't take a sherlock to see the determination being mustered against a bunch of innocent investors simply legally calling for their certificates. Why are so many resources being marshalled to stop a bunch of investors from doing what is perfectly reasonable? Explain again why is it now that I shouldn't buy shares of a company I like and call for my certs? It is a good sign of mm desperation. here is another simple rule: UNSOLICITED AND UNSUPPORTED NEGATIVITY FROM STRANGERS WHO DON"T REALLY LOVE YOU = SCARED SHORTERS 10. Inherent value of OVIS. A couple weeks ago this stock sold for 19 cents. At 1.6 million shares it had a market cap of about 300,000 dollars. About the price of a nice single family dwelling. Get real. If this reflected OVIS value, Hard Core would have sued them for slander for even implying that they were doing a deal. Banks would have laughed at them when they asked for capital instead of setting them up with excellent financing. You can't start a halfway decent chicken stand for 300,000 dollars if you plan on having plates and silverware too. Ovis earnings, assets, tax credits, and client base are those of a company firmly worth a minimum of 2.50 per share, and that is if they were never ever planning on growing! Counting for growth,future profitability, common PE valuations etc, the company is worth around 15. There are companies that loose more money per share than OVIS costs per share that sell for 50+ dollars per share. Simple rule: Simple rule: COMPANIES THAT CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS DESPITE DEVALUED SHARES AND MARKET CAP HAVE EXCELLENT RESOURCES AND MANAGEMENT. 11. Past value of OVIS. BAck when this company had poor management, the market still valued it at prices that are dramatic multiples of it's current price. Most of you can't remember back when people were gobbling up millions of shares of OVIS at 14 cents per share PRE SPLIT! because the evidence for future profitability was there. Back then, 14 cents a share was considered a bargain basement deal on this company. Of course no one knew back then that when the company split in order to get on a bigger board that a bunch of manipulative mms would do everything they could to kill this stock rather than loose money covering their naked shorts. The company did the unthinkable, and accidentally made money. oooopps!!! Simple rule: COMPANIES THAT MAKE MONEY ARE WORTH MONEY. If you are in OVIS, you picked a great time to be here. Statistics show that only one out of three companies survive two years past startup. Of those who make it, the average time to profitability is 3 - 5 years. OVIS has finally made it. The preponderance of evidence that this stock will fly is uncommon and fantastic. Investors can wait years for situations like these to happen. Should you mortgage your home? no. Should you go buy a Mercedes? no. Should you count your chickens before they hatch? no. Should you hold this stock into the thirties? Darn right."